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Tue Sep 11, 2012, 06:57 AM

 

TSA detains woman for "attitude"

"A woman who claims the Transportation Security Administration detained her from her flight because the agent didn't like her attitude has posted a video of the confrontation on YouTube.

The 22-second video has 45,000 views as of Monday morning. It is posted under the name AirportVideoofTSA. The person who uploaded the video writes, "I was not allowed to board a plane (even though I had already been through airport security) because I drank my water instead of letting the TSA "test" it. The TSA agent finally admitted that it wasn't because they thought I was a security risk-it was because the TSA agent, Louis Godeaux, was mad at me!""
http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/tsa-detains-woman-because-attitude-130613985--abc-news-travel.html

So now, if you're not properly submissive, don't give the little TSA jerks the respect they feel they reserve, you can and will be detained.

Bin Laden won, as we watch our freedoms slowly drain away.

Of course people continue to put up with this shit, even as it becomes ever more harsh, arbitrary and capricious. The only way to rein in the TSA is to simply not fly, a massive boycott of the airlines. But that's not going to happen, the American people are now proper sheeple, willing to put up with anything.

Me, I haven't flown in well over a decade, and won't do so again. I don't feel like giving a person with a power trip control over what happens to me.

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 07:01 AM

1. She didn't like a passenger's attitude...

What a power-tripping piece of authoritarian trash!

The TSA is completely un-American. They've been credited with the catching of exactly zero terrorists, they put Americans through so many indignities. Why should I respect them? I only fear them.

I won't fly or set foot in an airport because of this trash.

This is security theater and creeping authoritarian brain-washing. They're conditioning the American populace to obedience - hence the reason for all the stupid rules. It doesn't matter if the rules make sense or not, or serve a real security purpose or not. They don't. All that matters is that these rules are presented to as many people as possible, who are required to obey, or have their lives made into a living hell by authoritarian trash who masturbate to the thought of holding absolute power over people.

Yes, I know - DU's clique of cop-defenders are going to flame the shit out of this thread because we're not praying to the TSA... Why, didn't you know, the naked-scanner machines aren't that bad - nobody would spread the pictures around or get their rocks off from looking at them, right? They're all professionals...

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #1)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 09:03 AM

13. A few years back one of them asked me some crap about my new luggage

Poor fool didn't know that Marshalls has good sales

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 07:03 AM

2. So kind of like some cops then?

IF you don't act the proper way they'll find a reason to mess with you.

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Response to jp11 (Reply #2)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 07:43 AM

6. They mostly harass the poor people.

That doesn't count.

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Response to RandiFan1290 (Reply #6)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 10:01 PM

101. Not that I've seen.

I've seen them laugh at some obviously stupid shit, but only because it was obviously stupid.

Mostly, I've seen them be as helpful as possible to people who just don't understand.

But maybe that's because I travel a lot and have seen it hundreds of times.

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Response to NashvilleLefty (Reply #101)

Thu Sep 13, 2012, 07:52 AM

106. We were talking about the police. nt

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 07:05 AM

3. Good thing the TSA can't read minds

because they'd find more "attitude" in what I'm thinking than they could handle.
First thing I thought of when I read that "Sounds like something my mother would do to TSA"

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 07:39 AM

4. We stopped flying because of them. Have only flown once in 9 years (father in law was in hospital)

Take the train cross country to visit in laws now, very pleasant way to travel!
And we used to fly for vacations twice a year.

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Response to peacebird (Reply #4)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 05:34 PM

27. We quit too. I've had to do some business flights but quit all leisure travel via air. I find air

travel exceptionally unpleasant anymore because of the herding of people like cattle, the treatment by some airlines and the TSA. Often I think OBL must have been laughing his ass off at the US. He did exactly what he wanted, put this country into a tailspin into paranoia. Often the US is its own worst enemy. Now, the profiteers are making big bucks off the MIC and paranoia.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #56)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 11:59 PM

61. Yep you summed it up well, that's who I was thinking of when I

mentioned profiteers. And no way in hell are these guys going to stop making hand over fist in $$$. You added the detail I didn't bother to add. Thanks for the additional information, I couldn't agree more!!!

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 07:42 AM

5. No flying for us either

I simply refuse to submit to this stupidity. We won't be getting on an airplane until the TSA is gone the way of the DoDo bird.


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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 07:43 AM

7. from the video "Is that legal?"

and the response from the TSA Goon Squad? "Yes, it is." Lovely...

sP

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 07:47 AM

8. I'm surprised TSA hasn't charged that her secret video in violation of wire-tap laws

and an act of espionage.

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 08:48 AM

9. I haven't flown in a decade either. I won't until

they get rid of Homeland Security and the Patriot Act.

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 08:53 AM

10. There are some real jerks out there.

However I fly all the time and have never had a problem. I would hate to let some power hungry asshole keep me from traveling. It would be really inconvenient to drive from Minneapolis to our other home in Ecuador. That damned Darien Gap ya know.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #14)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 09:22 AM

16. Yes I'm an American.

I am retired and we are currently in the tedious process of transitioning from living full time in Minneapolis to living full time in South America. Actually I am cranky traveler. I retired after 30 years with Northwest Airlines when Delta took over. So generally we travel on a pass which is iffy so say the least. And I suck at non revving. Maybe I've been lucky but I have never met a power tripping authoritarian going through security in Minneapolis. And my carry on is like a mini Best Buy.

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Response to Puglover (Reply #16)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 09:57 AM

19. I agree

Minneapolis and the major airports I've been through aren't too bad in my experience. The power trippers are working at the smaller airports IMO. I won't fly into Palm Springs and I dread my flight this afternoon out of PHF. Minneapolis, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Chicago and Washington DC have never given me a problem.
I carry lots of electronics and knitting needles and a small pair of sewing scissors
I'm glad others have the leisure to support ground transportation but for some of us vacation time is limited and we are unwilling to spend three days each direction on a train.

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Response to Randomthought (Reply #19)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 10:44 PM

42. I don't fly often but I will say Minneapolis has the slowest security lines in the main terminal

that I've ever encountered (unless you know where to go to find a little known checkpoint). St. Louis was pretty slow as well and a real pain because if you need to change airlines and your next flight is on a different concourse you have to go through security again (at least at MSP they have just one checkpoint to all concourses).

I've only run into one real asshole as far as TSA types go and that was in Nashville. The jerk was being very passive agressive with everyone's IDs. He was inspecting each one as though he knew they were all fakes and he just had to find a way to prove it.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #14)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 08:21 PM

36. You think nurses get special treatment from the TSA?

That - is some crazy shit.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #14)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 10:34 PM

39. I fly frequently for work, and I've never had or seen a problem

with the TSA, even in the smaller airports. Even with the guy in front of me one time who had a boxcutter in his carry-on. He took the razor blade out of it which the female TSA agent threw away, and she let it go back into the carry-on sans blade.

Think about it, all across the country there are millions going through TSA checkpoints daily. How often do you hear about problems? Every one I've encountered in multiple airports was courteous and professional. Which makes me wonder why that vid was so short. We didn't see the entire encounter, only a few seconds.

The TSA is doing a wonderful job! I've seen it many, many times personally. Also, notice the people who are complaining the most here admit they don't fly.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #50)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 11:38 PM

53. OK, but as I said I fly often I've never seen a problem.

I also remember the James O'Keefe videos. Videos can easily be one-sided.

How often do you fly? Have you seen any problems personally?

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #57)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 09:08 PM

94. Then you should inform yourself.

James O'Keefe was the RW videographer who took down ACORN. It was later revealed how he "gamed" the vids to show what he wanted to show - but it was too late, the damage was done. He also did later videos to try and take down other institutions that he considered "Left-Wing" including NPR, but he had already been discredited and so was unsuccessful.

The point is, don't take what you see on youtube too seriously. You don;t know the context, you only see one side of the story, and you don't know how much it's been edited.

"You can't post anything on the internet if it's not true!" "Where'd you hear that?" "The Internet!"

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #95)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 09:42 PM

97. No, I just get pissed off when people claim shit

that they know nothing about, when I experience the Real Thing on a regular basis and know that differently.

We talk about The Truth frequently on this site, but there are some times when The Truth is quite different than what is reported.

Considered how much the M$M is denigrated on this site for not reporting The Truth, it amazes me how much many people here are ready to accept tin-foil-hat conspiracy theories.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #100)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 10:14 PM

102. Why should I care?

I'm on dial-up, so I'm not going to watch any vid that shows something that I have seen for myself.

I know that for the rest of you this is just "circumstantial evidence".

But I have traveled a lot and I have seen it first-hand. So please post as many videos as you want, I have seen it first-hand and I know better.

AND, I recommend that everyone else SEE FOR YOURSELF.

Don't let some anonymous posters make up your mind for you. TRY it yourself. Yeah, it's a minor inconvenience taking off your shoes and your belt and emptying your pockets, but it's MINOR!

Unless you just want to make a scene!

Let me emphasize that - UNLESS YOU WANT TO MAKE A SCENE!

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 09:00 AM

11. Amtrak or M/C............

 

I will never fly if I gotta put up with TSA crap.

And some of the cops & dogs I see at 30th street station (AMTRAK, philly) make me want to avoid
all large cities. Only problem with Amtrak (other than slow, underfunded, not enough of it) is
I would have to go through & change trains in NYC & Chicago to travel round the country.

I have seen stories of just looking at a cop funny (in NYC amtrak facilities) & you have serious problems.

My dream vacation is 2 week Amtrak pass, Philly to chicago, chi to S cal, s cal to Pac nw, then back to chi to NYC then up to Maine or VT and back to philly. Stop for a shower & hotel every few days tour a bit then back on the train.

All that would fit on a 2 week pass w 8 Legs (stops) & cost less about $400.

At anyrate fuck the TSA, let indvidual airlines pay for their own security forces.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #12)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 01:05 PM

79. THANK YOU. nt

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 09:18 AM

15. The Airport is now the best place for white people to get the DWB experience

It's not a lot of fun, indeed.

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #15)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 09:46 AM

17. huh...that interesting. never thought of it that way

but it would sure seem that you are right!

sP

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #15)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 05:33 PM

26. Nice reminder!

It seems to me that a lot of the reported incidents involve people who think of themselves as deserving of special treatment and/or those who expect to be able to arrive at the airport 5 minutes before the flight. I haven't had trouble with TSA, nor have I noticed any special difference between them and security people in Germany, England, Ireland, France, Switzerland, Brazil and South Korea. (I'm not a world traveler, that's where the company's plants are!)

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #15)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 10:50 PM

46. Well said.

The wails of injustice turn slowly.

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 09:55 AM

18. re:TSA detains woman for "attitude"

homeland security,= homeland insicurity. note even thogh i dont have a link, i do know that am trak trains have been randomly screened. are u safer now than u were 4 years ago ? on edit : i hope this woman has a case against tsa .

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 10:13 AM

20. Good.

 

I hope we get more and more of these abuses.

They more they abuse their power the sooner we can get rid of them.

/time to sharpen the guillotines.

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 12:50 PM

21. TSA agents are uneducated people with little to no previous job experience ...

They are NOT required to have a high school diploma or a GED certificate ...

The only requirement is ONE year as a security guard in any parking lot in the country ...

This is what happens when you give people authority over others who have no experience handling it ...

Cheap unskilled labor at it's finest ...

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Response to Wernothelpless (Reply #21)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 05:11 PM

22. Just what we need...

Here I am, with two bachelor's degrees, and making steady progress towards my master's, and if I want to fly, I get to be bossed around by a semi-literate moron who probably got the job at the TSA because even the local police departments turned him down, and he wanted to be able to say "Well at least I did better than mall rent-a-cop."

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #22)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 06:13 PM

31. Exactly ...

And if these semi-literate morons get wind of how you feel about them throwing their weight around the fun can really begin ... One of them was barking at me, recently, "Hipkneereplacement?" ... she was slurring her words, running them together, and I couldn't understand a word she was saying ... so I leaned toward her (hid my disgust) and said, "No, what? ... I can't understand you ... could you please speak a bit more slowly ... I'm slightly deaf" ... She just snarled back, "Obviously, get in THAT line over there" ... so I missed the fun of the nude body scan and was treated to the metal detector instead ... for once being deaf was a benefit ...

But what a stooge ... wow ....

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #22)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 10:51 PM

47. Are you interested in applying for a position with them? eom

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Response to Wernothelpless (Reply #21)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 01:04 PM

77. That's truthiness

Must have HS diploma or GED
Must speak, read, write English at level necessary to perform duties
Must pass screener tests
and more
ttp://jobs.faa.gov/SecurityScreeningRequirements.htm

And that should be "unskilled labor at its finest"


eta: I loathe the TSA and the passenger screening security theater but I don't blame the people at the bottom of the org chart for the problems inherent in the TSA.

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Response to Gormy Cuss (Reply #77)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 01:19 PM

81. Formerly it stated "or one year as a security guard"

The terminological had been either a high school diploma or a GED certificate or one year as a security guard ...

Unless they've changed it within the past year? ....

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Response to Wernothelpless (Reply #21)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 09:57 PM

99. They must have SOME kind of training because

I've dealt with them many, many times and they've always been very polite.

I remember one time coming back from someplace that I don't remember (I've been so many places for work they tend to blur together) but they had to examine my bag. This Gentleman who spoke with a strong accent was so apologetic and had such a great smile, you had to say "Thank You!"

I have worked Mangement and Training in many Customer Service jobs, and I would be honored to have him work any of them!

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 05:12 PM

23. she refused to let them test the water. She was egging the guy on.

sorry, no sympathy here. She was saying things KNOWING she was recording it...

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Response to progressivebydesign (Reply #23)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 05:22 PM

24. Oh, she was "egging them on" - that means she deserved to be harassed.

I suppose that woman in the mini-skirt was "egging on" her rapists, so she deserved to be assaulted?

She DRANK the water in front of them. Hard to make one of those rumored liquid bombs out of a substance that you freely drink - the chemicals that are known to blow up are also hellaciously poisonous and corrosive.

Why am I not surprised to see the clique of cop-defenders here to defend their creepy authoritarian police state.

If you're into bondage and domination games, go find a BDSM forum somewhere, find someone who shares your kinks, and you can do all the strip-searches and dom/sub foreplay you want - just don't forget to pick a safeword.

But don't inflict that shit on me.

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #24)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 11:09 PM

49. How did they know it was water?

Assume there was, oh, a kind of plastic that only dissolved in certain kinds of liquids.
Assume that plastic could be formed into capsule/container form.
Assume a binary explosive was placed in two different capsules, then swallowed in bulk, by somebody on a suicide mission, and that swallowing a liquid to dissolve the caplets would mix the contents in the stomach, resulting in an explosion.

None of this is impossible today (along with numerous variants, think of smuggling drugs.... (or explosive precursors) via latex condoms, (and then swallowing baby oil to mix them), but short of everybody getting a full body X-Ray, it's not stoppable with current technology.

That being said, she wanted attention, she got it.

There are a few names for that.

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Response to progressivebydesign (Reply #23)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 05:25 PM

25. and that's how things get changed

she could have just said, OK, here you go and where do you want me to bend over?


You can bet your butt that everything you say is recorded and the police know they are recording it too. They even know the correct words to use to really fuck you over.

We're done as a nation, the idea of democracy and freedom has become a joke, a punch line, because they know a bad mark on your record now will keep you out of a job, out of school and out of a home, off an airplane and anywhere else you might want to go if the authorities decide to push it.

My sympathy for her cancels your none.:

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Response to progressivebydesign (Reply #23)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 07:53 PM

32. Common sense does not look for sympathy ...

You are interpreting an abuse of power as if someone is looking for sympathy? ...

Your issue, your mirror ... my sympathies to your life partner ...

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 05:35 PM

28. How much of the anger over TSA involves classism -

as in "how dare that minimum wage high school graduate tell me what to do!"

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Response to hedgehog (Reply #28)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 08:06 PM

33. or the reverse ... how dare you be free to have a vacation when I have to work ...

My friend who was stalked into the bathroom by a TSA Agent in Oakland and singled out for extra screening was sure it was pure sour grapes, because she was tall, with curly long blonde hair, in sandals, shorts, and obviously going on vacation ... the minority TSA women agents in Oakland were looking to teach her a lesson because they could and because they had to work and she was free to travel ... they thought they'd have some fun with her ... mistake ... instead they lost their jobs because their behavior was recorded ... turns out you can't stalk a woman into the bathroom for peeing ...

People who have never held authority over others will more often than not abuse it ... these people have no training ... they have a part time job and not all of them are happy with their jobs ... they've got an axe to grind ....

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Response to Wernothelpless (Reply #33)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 08:18 PM

35. I agree it seethes in certain people, they seem to be pushing the edge of rude

They are not getting customer service training, they're getting cop training.

To be fair the Admirals Lounge worker did a number too. Crappy jobs..

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #35)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 10:26 AM

67. They need to remind TSA ...

The people who travel are CUSTOMERS ... they're going on vacation, to work, to visit family ...

99.999% of the people who go through their gates are simply paying customers ... they don't need to herded like cattle ...

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Response to Wernothelpless (Reply #67)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 12:31 PM

74. The TSA doesn't have to care about customer ratings.

Their purpose is not to be loved, but to be feared.

Their job is to subject the public to Pavlovian conditioning - OBEY, or be punished. Their job is to create the psychological foundations for the American people to tolerate a police state.

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #74)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 01:05 PM

78. Not quite that dramatic really ...

I will continue to question TSA and speak out ...

And honestly I don't think many of them are intelligent enough to understand what a "psychological foundation" is ... and they wouldn't recognize Pavlov's dog if it jumped up and bit them ...

They are formerly unemployed and nearly unemployable simply filling a slot for the lowest level part time job they were lucky enough to manage to qualify for ...

They need only 1 year as a security guard ... no high school diploma or GED certificate ...

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Response to Wernothelpless (Reply #78)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 02:09 PM

84. So - we should maybe require a PhD to work as an airport security guard?



I know some high school graduates with more sense than college professors!

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Response to hedgehog (Reply #84)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 02:35 PM

85. They do need careful screening and training ...

To see if they are sharp enough and capable of understanding human behavior and dealing with the stress of the daily traffic flow in an airport ... whereas one who has only been a security guard in a Walmart parking lot at night, for instance, may not qualify here? ...

I know a young man who, upon graduating from college, is interested in a career with the Department of Fish and Game and was surprised to find the training has become quite extensive ... the training meshes closely with that of ATF agents ...

Well trained may certainly be better than a nighttime security guard ... I can't see college educated people following a 55& year old woman into the bathroom, because she had to pee ... just a guess on my part of course ...

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Response to Wernothelpless (Reply #85)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 03:02 PM

88. Because of course anyone who attends/ has attended collge has common sense-

ever hear of a "frat boy"?

The people involved in the incident you described were jerks and were fired once TSA was satisfied that they had behaved improperly. To tag every TSA agent as being a jerk is profiling.

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Response to hedgehog (Reply #88)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 03:10 PM

90. Suggesting an education in human behavior may be helpful ...

Is an observation ... but I'm sure the TSA Agents appreciate your support ...

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Response to Wernothelpless (Reply #33)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 08:38 PM

37. Those minorities hate me for my long, blonde curly hair, my breezy fashion sense,

being tall, and my free time.


"minority TSA women" CHECK
"these people" CHECK



Really? This post has the foul odor of entitlement, elitism and racism.

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Response to Care Acutely (Reply #37)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 10:24 AM

66. Shut up and take it ...

That's your message ... they can abuse their power over this woman and she's not allowed to have an opinion ...

I would respond further, but I'm not going to play Sandra Fluke to your Rush Limbaugh ...

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Response to Wernothelpless (Reply #66)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 11:50 AM

70. A story about minority women hating on an innocent, leggy blond white woman for having the means

and time to travel? Yeah, that's a story straight out of the EIB programming, and it's your story. Your words.

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Response to Care Acutely (Reply #70)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 12:01 PM

71. As long as you have an excuse to attack a complete stranger ...

Last edited Wed Sep 12, 2012, 03:41 PM - Edit history (2)

Who was stalked into a bathroom ... the only other thing she could guess is she may have looked like an old hippie because she's twice the agent's age ... so maybe they thought this menopausal woman who had to pee might have had pot in her bag? ... which can't take down any plane ... otherwise, the entire episode certainly wasn't worth losing her job over ...

I think the TSA agent was standing around doing nothing and made an attempt to make something happen so she would look like she was doing her job ... in her inexperience she thought stalking a woman into the bathroom somehow appropriate ... turns out it was not ...

Thanks, Rush ... put the victim on trial and instead protect the gang of abusers as if they were the victims .. perfect ...

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Response to Wernothelpless (Reply #71)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 12:14 PM

72. It sucks that you can't change the racist bent to you story.

You didn't need to bring race into it. But you did.

You didn't need to emphasize that the TSA agents were "minorities." But you did.

You didn't need to assume, and then convey, that they harassed your friend for being white and being able to travel. But you did.

You didn't need to call the minority women "these people." But you did.

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Response to Care Acutely (Reply #72)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 12:25 PM

73. I told precisely what happened ... you turned it into this nonsense ...

Facts are simply facts ...

As I posted here before ... and please engage your reading and comprehension on other replies here if you are able ...

We are all required to be fair and reasonable under the law ... at work, at home, in public ...

We all have a right to be treated fair and reasonably ...

If we look these agents in the eye and ask them how they feel about being constantly recorded while they are working we might begin to understand the level of stress they face ... some can handle it and some obviously cannot ...

Honestly, I think the agent that behaved in the inappropriate manner could find nothing "wrong" with any of the people going through security so in her inexperience she started looking for any reason to find someone or something to show she was really, really doing a good job ... for fear of losing her job ... this employee was given authority she could not handle, in over her head, and probably afraid so foolishly created an incident by stalking a woman into the bathroom ... "see I got one" ... oops wrong one ...

My friend responded to TSA the way she did because she thought of other women traveling alone who may not have the background or experience to handle the matter ... they would be bullied ... (as you are attempting to do here, btw) to keep their mouths shut and take it ...

This gang of minority women was broken up by TSA ... fact ... their choice not yours or mine ... fact ... they could not handle their authority and were abusing it .... fact ... these things still happen in the real world on all sides of the fence ... fact ...

Deal with it, Rush ... you'd rather attack a woman who was stalked into a bathroom than deal with reality ...

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Response to Wernothelpless (Reply #73)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 02:00 PM

83. No, really. Why DID you bring in the races of the agents and your friend?

Race was in no way germane to the topic at hand - so why did you bring it in?

Either you had a reason for doing so, or you didn't even realize your telling of your story had unsavory racial overtones, reflective, as all stories are, of the teller.

Hopefully this exchange has afforded you an opportunity for self-examination, although your demonstrated level of maturity speaks poorly to this possibility.

I can do nothing more for you today. My efforts here are concluded.

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Response to Care Acutely (Reply #83)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 02:39 PM

86. The taped recording of the incident spoke for itself ...

Yes, they were untrained and inexperienced minority women who stalked my friend into the bathroom and than singled her out for extra screening because she was a 55plus year old menopausal woman who couldn't hold her urine until she waited in the long screening line ...

Accept it. It was just as disappointing to her as a woman (as a longtime employer) as it was to TSA when they dealt with the matter.

A gang is a gang ...on the street ... or in an airport ... you may not like it as "unsavory" as it may be, but it happened ...

You need a different outcome and I can't give you one ... good luck, Rush ...

Gasp ... sigh ... bore ... snore ... sheesh ...

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Response to Wernothelpless (Reply #33)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 11:50 PM

59. How did they "stalk" her?

Did one--or more than one--follow her and harass her? Threaten her? What did they caim they were following her into the bathroom for? How did they end up getting fired? Your story seems so strange. I'm not doubting it. It's just that there are so many key details omitted that it seems really weird and leaves me desperately curious to know more about what happened, how, and why.

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #59)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 10:02 AM

64. Details ...

stalk∑ing

1. stealthy pursuit: the act or process of stealthily following or trying to approach somebody or something
2. act of steady harassment: the crime of harassing somebody with persistent, inappropriate, and unwanted attention

The woman (who was stalked) has been an employer in the bay area for 30 years and easily recognized the abuse of power in these individuals ... a few competent letters of advice to the right people within TSA and her most welcome points to them on the subject led to the termination of the agents involved ...

For instance, when you have worked for decades with people with little to no experience you to do NOT allow them to work together on one crew, because unfortunately they can and do form a little gang ... you split them up ... You put one senior person with decades of experience at the head of the crew, one with a bit less experience, and finally the third person can be one of these totally inexperience cretins who otherwise might abuse their new found authority over others ... after years of gaining experience from elder crew members they may be left on their own, but to turn a gang of part time illiterate women loose on the unsuspecting public is insane ...

It's not a "story" nor is it "strange" or "weird" ... you may be desperate, but only because you may not have decades of experience dealing with untrained employees on construction projects or in the office workplace ...

Now why would a woman stalk another woman into the bathroom? ... stupidity? ... seemed a bit junior high to me, but that is the mentality the woman was facing at that moment when she stepped out of the stall and was faced with the imbecilic agent who was wielding her new found authority over her ...

After careful viewing of the recordings TSA chose to terminate the people involved ...

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Response to Wernothelpless (Reply #33)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 12:20 AM

62. I'm white and have flown out of Oakland several times.

That is total bs. TSA works very narrowly, nothing they do would bring any of them to follow you to the restroom.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #62)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 10:10 AM

65. It is fact ... and no bs at all ...

As odd as it seemed, at the time, to the woman who experienced this .... the TSA agent was arrogant, inexperienced, and stupid enough to stalk her into the bathroom and was, in fact, terminated for her agressive behavior ...

You can certainly contact the head of TSA in the bay area who also gave the same woman his business card directing her to contact him personally should she ever have another problem when traveling through his area ... perhaps he'll confide in you further ...

Your experience in Oakland have nothing to do with this traveler's experience ... you are two different people who have had different life experiences ... fwiw ...

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Response to Wernothelpless (Reply #33)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 10:35 AM

68. So - TSA hired some bad employees and got rid of them.

If the people there are part time and untrained, that suggests contract employees. What you are actually saying is that we need to demand that the TSA offers better training and better wages to ensure the quality of its employees.

I was thinking yesterday that a lot of pain and suffering could have been avoided if American Airplines ahd put a lirttle more thought into its pre-flight security program back in 2001!

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Response to hedgehog (Reply #68)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 10:43 AM

69. Fair and reasonable ...

We are all required to be fair and reasonable under the law ... at work, at home, in public ...

We all have a right to be treated fair and reasonably ...

If we look these agents in the eye and ask them how they feel about being constantly recorded while they are working we might begin to understand the level of stress they face ... some can handle it and some obviously cannot ...

Honestly, I think the agent that behaved in the inappropriate manner could find nothing "wrong" with any of the people going through security so in her inexperience she started looking for any reason to find someone or something to show she was really, really doing a good job ... for fear of losing her job ... this employee was given authority she could not handle, in over her head, and probably afraid so foolishly created an incident by stalking a woman into the bathroom ... "see I got one" ... oops wrong one ...

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Response to hedgehog (Reply #68)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 12:35 PM

75. They scapegoated one employee. The regime remains.

Of course, when the TSA crosses the line and gets some bad press, they're going to scapegoat one of their flunkies.

But the fact is that the TSA puts the policies in, encourages such flunkies to enforce the policy, and will continue to do so after replacing their scapegoat.

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #75)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 12:50 PM

76. It was more than one employee ...

It took at least three people on a crew to harass this woman between the bathroom and the security gate ... radioing each other and pulling her aside ... and TSA chose to brake up the crew ... two of them were let go ...

All we could think of was how many other women were stalked into the bathroom and singled out for extra screening simply because of "their suspicious behavior" ... they had to pee? ...

Would you have kept the employee with TSA? ... can't say I would ... regime or not ... the behavior is unacceptable ...


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Response to hedgehog (Reply #28)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 06:52 PM

92. Geee and I thought

 

it was because some stranger that just hand their unwashed hand down the pants of some sweaty passenger with herpes and crabs now wants to stick their hand down my pants.



Amendment 4 - Search and Seizure

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


Oh I forgot! the TSA flushed that amendment down the crapper!

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 05:36 PM

29. I fly frequently and have always been treated properly.

I feel TSA is getting bum deal. I don't know about you but I don't want to get on a plane with a bomb.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #38)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 10:40 PM

40. Maybe it's because they know they're being screened. nt

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #38)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 10:45 PM

43. Maybe the reason there hasn't beet one is TSA.

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 05:38 PM

30. I used to like to travel

I loved visiting other countries, but with all this crap the TSA are pulling, I won't fly anymore. Its a shame that its been made more difficult. Maybe if more of us did this, they would get the message, that its not worth the effort to fly somewhere, when you are expecting to be detained for the littlest thing.

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Response to AsahinaKimi (Reply #30)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 10:44 PM

41. Don't swallow the crap. I fly frequently and have never had or seen a problem.

The security lines can be long, but they move quickly. Go ahead and fly wherever you want, and see for yourself!

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Response to NashvilleLefty (Reply #41)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 10:49 PM

45. Are you Asian?

Are you a minority? I bet you never had someone ask the stupid question, "ARE you North Korean?"

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Response to AsahinaKimi (Reply #45)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 11:40 PM

54. No, but I've seen lots of Asians go through the check-points.

Have you had any problems? I'd love to know.

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Response to NashvilleLefty (Reply #54)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 08:51 PM

93. I did...I just mentioned it...

Some TSA guy was asking me questions. He said..."You look Chinese.." I said no, I am Japanese and Korean. "North Korean?" I stopped
talking to him at that point. He thought it was funny.

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Response to AsahinaKimi (Reply #93)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 09:35 PM

96. I'm sorry, I was confused because you said you stopped flying.

Apparently, he thought he was making a joke.

I honestly don't think this is an indictment against TSA as it is against Western culture as a whole.

Please be patient with me here, I am going to say some things that are technically Racist that really are ignorance.

First of all, I would like for you to understand that Asia as a whole is a mystery to us. Because we were isolated for so many years in our "Western World" we tended to ignore the Great Civilizations of what we call the "Far East". Although you can probably tell at a glance whether someone is Chinese, Japanese, Korean, etc., because of our history most European-based people tend to just lump you all into the "Asian" category without even trying to understand the differences.

I, myself, am trying to understand the differences but I will admit that it is difficult for me as a European-based (Scottish on both sides of the family - although I hate Plaid, I hate bagpipes, and I hate Scotch whiskey! WTF?)

So, I don't think that your unfortunate encounter with the TSA agent had as much to do with Government Overstepping It's Bounds as it did with him just being human - and a stupid human at that.

Thus, my original statement stands - don't let this one incident deter you from flying. Did they take aside and make you strip down and humiliate you as many of these posts imply?

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Response to NashvilleLefty (Reply #96)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 09:57 PM

98. As was stated in this posting

It doesn't take much to be a TSA, including not having to have a high school diploma. Yes, I won't fly again. You have too many gun-ho TSA guards who think they have special privileges over us "common folk" and especially over minorities who fly.

You said you have seen many Asians who have gone though with no problems, however I doubt you were in ear shot of most of the conversations so you don't know what was said, or probably paid attention.

I am saying, this incident was an example of what has happened to me. I am not saying its the only thing that has ever happened to me. You have to understand what its like to be a little different and having your differences pointed out to you, like you are some kind of other. This country has become so outwardly racist, that anyone in a position of power can ALLOW their racist crap to come out and not feel the need to worry over the consequences.

No, sorry this country is too charged right now. People hate Obama because he is black. That means all of us who are considered minorities have to take their (Republicans) crap as well, and I won't. They have night sticks, and hand cuffs. I don't need to travel. Everything I could possibly want in San Francisco is here. If I want to travel to New York to visit my parents, I will take the bus. I am not afraid of flying, but I don't trust peoples attitudes these days.. and don't want to end up in a bad situation, simply because I have "chinky" eyes.

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Response to AsahinaKimi (Reply #98)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 10:38 PM

103. AK, actually, I am overweight and have always been a NERD,

so, yes, I have always felt like an "outsider". No, I don't have "chinky eyes" so I haven't experienced that particular type of prejudice. But my entire life I have been an "outsider".

One thing I have learned was how to develop a "thick skin", and being a member of DU has definitely helped that. LOL!

Yes, I agree that this country is too charged right now. There are a lot of idiots out there who own guns. And a lot of idiots who think they know how to use them.

But, that's my point - the TSA is NOT the problem! Let's focus on the REAL problems in this country, and there are so many of them.

And I would love for you to travel here to Nashville one day. Although it is known as Country Music City, we actually have a lot of frustrated Jazz musicians here. And the surrounding Cumberland Plateau is some of the most beautiful natural country you will ever see. And Nashville has a very diverse population.

Just saying that it would be a good thing to expand your experience beyond your "comfort zone".

It might make you less quick to judge.

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Response to NashvilleLefty (Reply #103)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 10:47 PM

105. Maybe after the President is elected...

And after we have removed some of the Republican scum from the chambers of Congress, the house and senate. I used to think things were bad during the Bush years, but Republicans have made it worse for everyone during President Obama's terms. And, as for Music, you forget, San Francisco's culture... we have it all here. I can even get red beans, rice and grits here if I so want to. Jazz? We got plenty. This city is so international, you can have blue berry pancakes for breakfast, ChiÍn nước mắm for lunch, and for dinner Berbere from Ethiopia.

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 08:11 PM

34. TSA has been overly empowered and they need to learn to behave

politely with PAYING customers.

I've been poorly treated many times especially upon opting out of radiation by backscatter.

They take forever to find an agent and are FULL of pushy attitude. Few exceptions.

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 10:47 PM

44. Yep... Bin Laden's Dead... But Bin Laden Was Proved Correct...

When we get attacked... he postulated... we would toss our Constitution like a bad poker hand...

And we did.


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Response to WillyT (Reply #44)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 11:48 PM

58. If there had been no Osama Bin Laden, we would have created him..

Wait, we DID create him.

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 10:53 PM

48. Have you seen the attitude of these TSA agents?




I love it.

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 11:36 PM

51. I hate being stuck behind people like her in line

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 11:37 PM

52. Know your place in the social hierarchy scumbag!

Don't get all uppity now.

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 11:41 PM

55. In other words, she was detained for

being uppity. TSA won't have none of that.

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 11:56 PM

60. TSA in Cleveland today made everyone go through the scanners, no opting out.

Had I known they were going to do that I would have advised my daughter not to fly today. Now she's been exposed to god-knows-what and we'll probably never be told how bad those things are for human health.

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Response to Doremus (Reply #60)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 12:33 AM

63. how could that be legal!!! n/t

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Response to Doremus (Reply #60)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 01:10 PM

80. She may have been lucky and been throught a Millimeter not a Backscatter machine

The backscatter type is a box. The millimeter requires you to be in a plastic walled semi-enclosed space.


http://studenttravel.about.com/od/which-airports-have-scanners/f/Does-Cleveland-Airport-Have-a-Scanner.htm

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #80)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 06:43 PM

91. Thanks for sharing that info.

I'll ask her which type when she gets back from vacay.

She said they completely closed off the metal detector machines they normally herd everyone through, and routed everyone instead through the nasty body scanners. Her flight was around 8:30am yesterday.

I'm still seething, and hope very much that it was the millimeter machine you mentioned.


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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 01:22 PM

82. I have not read the replies to your post, but I will bet there are TSA defenders here.

"I feel safer"

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Reply #82)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 03:05 PM

89. Oh there are!

Shocking, I know...

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 02:58 PM

87. come on madhound,

it's not all to do with being sheeple. my son and grandchildren live 3000 miles away from me, and all the adults work.

i want to see the world, i love to travel.

i think i will have conceded even more if i gave up flying, which would mean giving up seeing my grandchildren and traveling to places i want to see.

here is what i do: i make them frisk me. every time. sometimes they're nice and professional, sometimes i walk away feeling violated. but i'm getting on that plane, they haven't taken that away from me yet.

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Response to MadHound (Original post)

Thu Sep 13, 2012, 09:10 AM

107. The TSA agent was wrong to have a flippant attitude

Most of the places I have flown you can have a drink if it has come from within the airport (like I buy a can of soda). If the bottle had been in her carry on going through security they usually will take it (not always though).

I've flown back and forth between Asia and the US several times in the last 8 years and never had a problem except for one time with my computer about five years ago going through SFO coming into the US. They even found my pirated copy of Rocky Balboa and didn't bat an eye at it.

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