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Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:16 PM

I can't stand hearing the Chicago parents asking what they are supposed to do with their children


YOU chose your lifestyle choice! YOU have to do something with your childen! If you have to pay for extra day care, there is nothing to worry about.

THE JOY OF BEING A PARENT OUTWEIGHS THE COST!

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Reply I can't stand hearing the Chicago parents asking what they are supposed to do with their children (Original post)
RB TexLa Sep 2012 OP
scheming daemons Sep 2012 #1
SWTORFanatic Sep 2012 #97
Zalatix Sep 2012 #118
Odin2005 Sep 2012 #2
valerief Sep 2012 #4
ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2012 #20
valerief Sep 2012 #26
ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2012 #31
Marr Sep 2012 #90
SammyWinstonJack Sep 2012 #120
alp227 Sep 2012 #95
valerief Sep 2012 #3
niyad Sep 2012 #6
RB TexLa Sep 2012 #7
gkhouston Sep 2012 #12
RB TexLa Sep 2012 #14
R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2012 #106
roguevalley Sep 2012 #110
R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2012 #133
valerief Sep 2012 #22
Zalatix Sep 2012 #114
Bobbie Jo Sep 2012 #125
valerief Sep 2012 #21
cynatnite Sep 2012 #37
abelenkpe Sep 2012 #75
cynatnite Sep 2012 #85
valerief Sep 2012 #119
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valerief Sep 2012 #128
Incitatus Sep 2012 #38
GreenPartyVoter Sep 2012 #63
Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #71
cherokeeprogressive Sep 2012 #99
Zalatix Sep 2012 #115
niyad Sep 2012 #5
graham4anything Sep 2012 #8
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SickOfTheOnePct Sep 2012 #10
RB TexLa Sep 2012 #11
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RB TexLa Sep 2012 #30
Telly Savalas Sep 2012 #49
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dkf Sep 2012 #32
HiPointDem Sep 2012 #36
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Response to RB TexLa (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:18 PM

1. most of these parents are working class

And struggling to get by like the rest of us.

You sound like Ann Romney telling them to just pay for more daycare!

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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #1)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 12:25 AM

97. So are teachers supposed to never be allowed to strike?

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Response to SWTORFanatic (Reply #97)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 02:19 AM

118. Teachers rights vs parents rights, NOT THE RIGHT PERSPECTIVE.

 

Most parents ARE working class, and they suffer when teachers go on strike.

Teachers are ALL working class people, and they deserve the right to strike for better conditions in school and the workplace.

Neither of them are at fault for the mess that's happening in Chicago. Everyone should look higher up the chain of command for someone to condemn.

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Response to RB TexLa (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:20 PM

2. What a disgusting post.

Many of these women CANNOT AFFORD DAYCARE.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #2)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:22 PM

4. Yes. I doubt it's a real person. It's probably one of THEM.

They crawl up from the basement on election years.

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Response to valerief (Reply #4)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:36 PM

20. This poster has been around forever

But I'm not surprised....

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Response to ProudToBeBlueInRhody (Reply #20)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:41 PM

26. Yes, they move among us, undetected, until one day--BOOM!

They drop their guard. Or we put on the magic sunglasses. Whatever. The fact is, just because they're always here, doesn't mean they're (damn, I forget what the OP was all about now).

on edit
Oh, yeah. Well, they must gotten a huge inheritance and have turned Republican. It happens.

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Response to valerief (Reply #26)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:47 PM

31. Not really

The poster has made numerous flameworthy threads like this over the years. They seem very out of touch with a lot of groups they don't personally want to identify with, especially people with children.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #2)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 11:59 PM

90. Indeed. Par for the course with this one, however.

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Response to Marr (Reply #90)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 08:55 AM

120. Not unexpected at all.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #2)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 12:14 AM

95. And then the Republicons will say NO UNIVERSAL CHILD CARE

because that is SOCIALIZM...every time I hear those right wing turds scream "NO NO NO" like toddlers at the supermarket it confirms my view that modern American conservatism is a NARCISSISTIC PATHOLOGY that is making Barry Goldwater and William Buckley cry in their graves.

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Response to RB TexLa (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:21 PM

3. First World countries have govt-sponsored daycare. nt

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Response to valerief (Reply #3)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:24 PM

6. exactly

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Response to valerief (Reply #3)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:25 PM

7. So the childfree can pay even more for their lifestyle choice?

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Response to RB TexLa (Reply #7)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:31 PM

12. Need a chair to yell at? n/t

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Response to gkhouston (Reply #12)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:32 PM

14. No, I don't. Maybe you do. I'm assuming you chose that lifestyle choice.

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Response to RB TexLa (Reply #14)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 12:59 AM

106. I've made that choice, but I'd love to have the choice of


child care over never ending wars, tax cuts for he rich, corporate welfare, bloated pentagon or blooming police state.

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #106)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 01:39 AM

110. I went to school and someone paid for me. I paid for you youngings

when you went to school. that is what generations do and if this country wasn't a fucking swamp there wouldn't be strikes and kids would have a place to go if there was.

I taught a zillion years. It is a big deal for putting kids some place when a strike happens. Some strikes have teachers taking day care turns. I don't consider kids a 'lifestyle choice' and I hear a lot of bitter crap in that person's voice.

WE TAKE CARE OF EACH OTHER. WE CARE ABOUT EACH OTHER.

Apparently someone here doesn't know that. This is a hard journey for both sides. I hope the teachers win soon. Save your spleen for Emmanuel. He's a fucker. And you can quote me.

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #110)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 09:17 PM

133. + 100000

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Response to gkhouston (Reply #12)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:37 PM

22. Bwahahaha!

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Response to gkhouston (Reply #12)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 02:12 AM

114. Epic DUZY!!!! +1,000!

 

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Response to gkhouston (Reply #12)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 10:27 AM

125. LOL!

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Response to RB TexLa (Reply #7)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:37 PM

21. When you can't afford an abortion, shit happens. nt

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Response to RB TexLa (Reply #7)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:51 PM

37. The childfree are paying for kids to go school. n/t

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Response to cynatnite (Reply #37)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 11:42 PM

75. Yes and the child free will have ss because those kids grow up

get a job and pay into social security so can retire.

Geez, sound like a republican much?

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Response to abelenkpe (Reply #75)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 11:52 PM

85. Are you sure you meant to respond to me? n/t

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Response to cynatnite (Reply #37)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 08:53 AM

119. Yep, and the war-free are paying for wars and the

space-free are paying for Mars trips and the privilege-free are paying for massive tax cuts for the wealthy and the corporate-free are paying for massive tax cuts for massively profitable corporations, etc., etc., etc.

If paying for schools is the battle you've chosen, it's a pretty unsubstantive battle.

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Response to valerief (Reply #119)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 10:22 AM

123. I was making the point that we all pay for stuff we don't want to pay for. n/t

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Response to cynatnite (Reply #123)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 11:00 AM

128. Oh, okay. Right. We spend most of our lives contributing to things we don't want to.

Our time, our money, our patience. Well, unless we're born to privilege.

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Response to RB TexLa (Reply #7)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:52 PM

38. You're going to be glad they made that lifestyle choice

when you are old and depend on younger generations to be your doctors, nurses, police, firemen, etc etc.

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Response to Incitatus (Reply #38)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 11:18 PM

63. Exactly.

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Response to RB TexLa (Reply #7)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 11:36 PM

71. So the carfree has to pay for car drivers?

Jeesh. This is a society. We support that which makes society healthy.

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Response to RB TexLa (Reply #7)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 12:26 AM

99. Your taxes go toward ten thousand things you'll never make use of.

I think this discussion is just about one of the oldest on DU.

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Response to valerief (Reply #3)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 02:15 AM

115. Indeed. Blame the system, not the parents or teachers. Now that's a THIRD WAY I can cosign onto!!!

 

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Response to RB TexLa (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:24 PM

5. I am hoping this was sarcasm

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Response to RB TexLa (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:27 PM

8. urghhhhhhh!!!

 

urghhhhhhhhhh!!!

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Response to RB TexLa (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:28 PM

9. It's the RB TexLa show!...

I laughed! I cried! It was better than Cats!

Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #9)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:29 PM

10. Ha ha!! n/t

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #9)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:30 PM

11. There is no show. You think we should have to pay for people's lifestyle choices?

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Response to RB TexLa (Reply #11)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:32 PM

13. We do it all the time

And not just for people that have children

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Response to RB TexLa (Reply #11)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:32 PM

15. you suck

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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #15)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:45 PM

30. Yes, I know it's not fair that I don't have to spend money on kids and you do


cry me a river. You made your lifestyle choice.

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Response to RB TexLa (Reply #30)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 11:04 PM

49. The next time you get sick, don't fucking see a doctor

That doctor is a product of the lifestyle choice of her parents.

You don't approve of that choice, then don't fucking freeload off the efforts involved in that choice.

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Response to RB TexLa (Reply #30)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 11:06 PM

53. oh flameworthy one

 

you seem to have a knack for cardboard cut out set pieces.

I was wondering if I could advance order a set for the upcoming Washington Follies...

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Response to RB TexLa (Reply #30)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 11:10 PM

59. You pay for other people's lifestyle choices all the time. What's different now? n/t

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Response to RB TexLa (Reply #11)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:38 PM

23. Truthfully, I hope those being educated right now will keep things going for the rest of us.


I kind of view paying more -- if that is what in necessary -- as an investment in their and our future.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #23)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:41 PM

27. I wasn't talking about paying for education.

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Response to RB TexLa (Reply #11)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:39 PM

24. The name may have changed, but the show remains the same!...nt

Sid

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Response to RB TexLa (Reply #11)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:41 PM

25. .

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Response to RB TexLa (Reply #11)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:50 PM

35. Do you object to paying for public education?

If you do....I suggest you don't belong here.

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Response to ProudToBeBlueInRhody (Reply #35)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:52 PM

39. No I don't. Everyone pays for that based on their income and what value

Property they chose to own.

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Response to RB TexLa (Reply #11)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:53 PM

40. You're already paying for a lot of lifestyle choices...why complain now? n/t

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Response to RB TexLa (Reply #11)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 11:08 PM

57. THOSE KIDS ARE GOING TO PAY YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE


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Response to jberryhill (Reply #57)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 11:18 PM

62. And I guess I've paid nothing toward doing that myself. Oh I'm not

A "hard working family" so nothing I pay into it counts. Just what the "hard working families" have paid. That's what counts.

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Response to RB TexLa (Reply #62)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 11:42 PM

76. You aren't paying for YOUR benefits


You apparently have no clue how SS and Medicare actually work.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #76)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 11:53 PM

86. I understand what your saying if I don't make little people to pay for

It when I'm on it. You'll be damned if your children's precious money should go to paying for it. My paying for people's now isn't good enough for you.

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Response to RB TexLa (Reply #86)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 12:01 AM

91. WTF?

I, for one, am counting on successive generations to continue as we have done so far.

It's like being in a... oh.... what do you call it.... a society!

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Response to RB TexLa (Reply #62)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 11:48 PM

83. You are completely ignorant of how SS works

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Response to abelenkpe (Reply #83)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 11:55 PM

87. I understand, my paying for people on it now isn't good enough. If I don't make more people to pay


I shouldn't get any from your children. Right?

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Response to RB TexLa (Reply #11)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 11:29 PM

68. Hey

Last edited Tue Sep 11, 2012, 12:05 AM - Edit history (1)

YOU were a kid once too, and your parents made a lifestyle choice when they had you and raised you. Now I don't know if you were born to affluent parents or whether you just forgot what it's like to struggle if you ever did, but you've somehow wound up in a bubble devoid of any empathy or compassion, and I really can't figure out what the fuck you're doing on a message board for liberals and progressives.

Living with your head in the clouds like you do, you might not realize that a lot of struggling families depend on public schools as a part of the support system for their families in addition to their kids getting an education there. I am the father in one such family. I work a full time job and hustle up all the money I can doing side jobs but it's very tough for us these days, so the fact that my daughter(yes just one kid) gets reduced priced meals and other benefits from school is a godsend these days. I'm sure you'll be horrified to know that she also qualifies for and receives health insurance from the state through the SCHIPs program.

A lot of hard working families are in the same boat as us these days due to stagnant wages, outsourcing of good jobs and 30 years of fuckle down reaganomics in general. Many of us were doing a lot better when we decided to have kids and have been kicked in the crotch somewhere along the road.

So just get down off your damned high horse about what the fuck you "don't want to pay for" or hit the fucking road to SomaliaI'm sure you'd be much happier there

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Response to RB TexLa (Reply #11)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 11:44 PM

78. Did you go to public schools?

If you did, try not to think of it as paying for someone else's "lifestyle choices" think of it as paying for your own education and your parents "lifestyle choices".

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #9)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:47 PM

33. It should be on NBC this fall!

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #9)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 11:43 PM

77. Heh. Exactly. nt

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #9)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 01:03 AM

109. vaht? he's tuff.. as nails... because thats the kind ofuncaring man he is.

he vill not drink vith you
vaht?

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Response to RB TexLa (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:33 PM

16. It implies that school is glorified daycare.

I am completely on the side of the striking teachers, and as a single parent who used to have nightmares about having to work when my young child was out of school, I understand what the parents are going through. I think it's valid to answer that question.

However, the way it is being framed, like omg all these 400,000 kids on the streets, is hysterical. They just had summer vacation ffs. And it is really creepy, the implication that they should be in school cause their parents have to work. Not because they need to be educated (a few days isn't going to be missed in the grand scheme), but because their parents have to work.


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Response to tjdee (Reply #16)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:47 PM

32. It's not the day care aspect. It's the gangs and the shootings and all the other mayhem they are

 

Concerned about.

These are not normal problems.

I hate to see who gets blamed if there's some sort of shooting. That would be a no win situation for Dems or for anyone.

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Response to dkf (Reply #32)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:50 PM

36. You can blame the education deformers for the gang violence problems. *They're* the ones

 

who decided that moving kids out of neighborhood schools in the selective enrollment/charter model was a great idea. Which is one of the primary reasons gang violence has been escalating.

It has *nothing* to do with the strike. It's on the heads of the rahm/duncan/chicago club gang.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #36)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:57 PM

43. Elaborate please on how the gang problems were caused?

 

Very interesting if true. I had not heard this.

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Response to dkf (Reply #43)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 11:05 PM

51. Turf issues -- selective enrollment/charter schools close neighborhood schools, move kids all over

 

the city.

Think of it like Jets invading a school in Shark territory.



Communities believe charter schools actually increase violence

A lot of the people most affected by charter school expansion would strongly disagree with Lockett's notion that charter schools are an answer to youth violence. In fact, communities report strong feelings that charter schools, and the school closings that go hand in hand with their expansion, have actually contributed to increased violence.

The 2007 report, "Students as Collateral Damage" (Lipman and Person), includes interviews and first-person accounts of students and teachers from schools closed in the Mid-South region of Chicago during the first years of Mayor Daley's Renaissance 2010 program:

Teachers, staff, and students report that incoming students are traveling outside of their neighborhood, often crossing different gang boundary lines. As one parent stated, "We have a lot of issues with gang fights. This is the bottom line." (p. 33)

Parents, teachers, administrators and students at receiving schools report increasing concerns about the rise in discipline and safety issues resulting from an influx of new students. Concerns centering on these issues are twofold: an increase in discipline and behavioral problems in receiving schools and classrooms, and an increase in violence in and around receiving schools. (p.31)

In March, April, and May 2006, a series of articles in both major Chicago newspapers highlighted the escalating violence in schools receiving displaced students. In some instances they reported that teachers were quitting out of fear, yet CPS officials vowed to continue the school closings. The Chicago school reform journal Catalyst also reported increase in violent incidents (Duffrin, 2006) in all receiving schools in the Midsouth. (p. 32)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/julie-woestehoff/chicago-violence-charter-schools-_b_1666630.html

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Response to dkf (Reply #32)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:56 PM

42. But again, these kids were out all summer!

This was to be their first day of school, today.

And again, while that is a valid concern--- is it not creepy as hell that the reasons people are concerned about kids being out of school has nothing to do with school and their actual education???

If we are merely seeking to warehouse children, why not put them to work in a few factories?

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Response to tjdee (Reply #42)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 11:05 PM

50. Safety is always first priority for a parent.

 

I doubt they care whether you would call it warehousing.

My sympathy is with the kids and their parents.

Between Rahm and the teachers, I pick none of the above. The only hero here will be compromise and a realistic assessment of the situation.

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Response to dkf (Reply #50)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 12:52 AM

102. I don't send my child to school to be safe.

I of course want her to be safe while she is there, but I send her there to receive an education. School is not only "the safe place" I send her to during the day to avoid getting shot, and not the babysitter that watches her when I am at work.

My issue is more with framing and perception of the education system by society at large, of course I care about the parents and the children.

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Response to tjdee (Reply #102)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 12:54 AM

103. You are in Chicago?

 

This is not normal. It's an extraordinary circumstance.

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Response to dkf (Reply #103)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 01:00 AM

107. We don't actually disagree.

I am not saying that Chicago is not dangerous. I am not saying that I do not feel for the parents.

I am saying that it is a shame that school in this case is principally seen as a safe haven rather than as a center for education, which is what a school actually is.

This may be a special circumstance, but that is still an unfortunate circumstance AND, as recently as Sunday the safe haven would not have been available anyway, since the kids were still on their summer vacation.

Whether I live in Chicago is irrelevant, and I don't.

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Response to tjdee (Reply #42)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 12:22 AM

96. FACTORIES? Newt Gingrich would like your number, hee hee.

"Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses?"

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Response to alp227 (Reply #96)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 12:55 AM

104. LOL :) nt

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Response to dkf (Reply #32)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 11:21 PM

66. The people I saw were getting into twin BMWs saying they didn't know what they were going to do with


their children durning this.

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Response to tjdee (Reply #16)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 12:51 AM

101. School IS a glorified daycare

Kind of like day-prison.

Yeah, kids learn a bit - I wouldn't give up the education I got. But more and more, it's a way to keep kids out of their parents' hair while said parents work.

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Response to mindwalker_i (Reply #101)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 01:01 AM

108. And that's a shame. nt

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Response to RB TexLa (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:34 PM

17. Better, neighborhoods could

Organize who-stays-home-which-day and they rotate care and supervision. At least all of them wouldn't have to miss work at once.
Some churches are offering help, too.

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Response to RB TexLa (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:34 PM

18. just because cnn & the lame-ass media focus on parents who say that doesn't mean it's the norm.

 

in fact the union has made a huge effort to inform parents of strike plans and to rally their support.

Poll Shows Strong Support for Public School Teachers in Their Fight for Quality Schools
For Immediate Release: April 24, 2012
Contact: Stephanie Gadlin StephanieGadlin@ctulocal1.com

Public lacks confidence in CEO Brizard and Chicago Board of Ed


Nearly three-quarters of Chicago voters have a favorable impression of Chicago public school teachers (74% favorable, 35% very favorable), and a solid majority of voters also holds positive opinions of the Chicago Teachers Union (57% favorable, 29% very favorable).

Just 15% of voters have an unfavorable opinion of teachers and 26% have an unfavorable opinion of the union.

In contrast, voters are highly critical of the Board of Education and CEO of Public Schools Jean-Claude Brizard. By two-to-one margins, voters rate the jobs being done by the Board of Education (27% excellent/good to 62% just fair/poor) and Brizard (21% excellent/good to 44% just fair/poor) negatively.

While polling from the summer of 2011 showed Rahm Emanuel fairly well regarded by the city’s voters, the mayor’s image has suffered in the intervening months. Emanuel’s personal favorability has dropped since last summer and his unfavorable ratings have jumped 11 points. The deterioration in Emanuel’s image is most pronounced, however, in his job performance ratings. In August of 2011, 53% of voters thought he was doing a good or excellent job and 31% thought he was doing just a fair or poor job. Today, Emanuel’s job performance rating is evenly divided, with negative evaluations of his handling of the job surging by 16 points: 47% excellent/good to 47% just fair/poor. Hinting at one of the causes of this precipitous decline, perceptions of the mayor’s performance on education are even worse than his overall ratings (44% excellent/good to 46% just fair/poor).

At the outset, the electorate rejects the mayor’s proposal to close, consolidate, and phase out chronically underperforming schools: 41% favor to 47% oppose. Simulating an engaged debate over the issue quickly vaults the union’s position to an even more decisive lead (31% favor to 59% oppose).

Voters also side with the Chicago Teachers Union on the issue of merit pay, opposing basing a teacher’s salary on state test scores by a net of 10 points.

http://www.ctunet.com/media/press-releases/poll-shows-strong-support-for-public-school-teachers-in-their-fight-for-quality-schools

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #18)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:36 PM

19. Thank you for correcting the obvious propaganda we will be hearing ad nauseum.

Parents support teachers and good schools. Sometimes it is necessary to fight for that.

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #19)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:42 PM

28. You shoulda heard the honking horns and seen the thumbs up all over Chicago this morning

The strike is popular.

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #28)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 12:32 AM

100. Excellent, excellent news.

I guess that's why the propaganda is so thick.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #18)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:54 PM

41. This should be an OP

Many, even on DU, are not informed about this. I think it should be sent to Rachel, Laurence, Tweety, etc. as well.

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Response to senseandsensibility (Reply #41)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 11:06 PM

55. It's now an OP. Please kick & rec.

 

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Response to RB TexLa (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:42 PM

29. Put them in daycare for a week or two

Then beg Emmanuel to raise taxes so that cheaper, institutional methods can be used.

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Response to RB TexLa (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:57 PM

44. Yeah, so what if they can't afford daycare. Who cares if they only make minimum wage.

You tell 'em!



'Scuse me while I go puke over this RW garbage you just spewed DU with.

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Response to RB TexLa (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 11:02 PM

46. ...wow...

I'm curious as to what exactly you might know about that lifestyle choice. Do you now, or have you in the past had children for whom you had to pay for daycare? Let me tell you, for a working parent, it is absurdly expensive. Now, when I say "working", I'm not talking about people like Rahm, or his buddy Paul Ryan - but people more like, say, a telemarketer, or a dish-washer, a factory worker. Maybe a Police Officer or even, actually, a Teacher.

The joy of being a parent does indeed outweigh the cost, but you still must have some funds to survive. Paying more for extra day care may very well mean not being able to pay for dental care. It may mean not being able to make the next electric payment, or coming up a little short on rent. It could mean far worse, too, depending on how long the strike lasts.

The way our society is designed requires most of us without great means to send our children to public school (I'm not complaining about this) while also having to maintain a job to just survive, let alone thrive. As someone who has struggled with such situations I find that your post lacks empathy, understanding, knowledge or experience regarding the subject you are talking about.

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Response to RB TexLa (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 11:02 PM

47. "We believe we're all in this together is a far better philosophy than you're on your own."

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Response to Incitatus (Reply #47)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 02:15 AM

116. Paraphrasing here

from the DNC and Mr. Castro - In the end, the American dream is not a sprint, or even a marathon, but a relay.

I think the OP has just dropped the baton.

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Response to RB TexLa (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 11:03 PM

48. Now you know why they think

 

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teachers are just baby sitters and they should get paid as such.

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Response to RegieRocker (Reply #48)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 12:12 AM

94. +1, as I was finishing high school I realized...

some parents just think that school=day care for their big kids.

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Response to RB TexLa (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 11:05 PM

52. Damn I did not realize Mr. Eastwood has been posting here for years

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #52)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 11:06 PM

54. Thanks...

Keyboard is all wet now... dangit...

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #52)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 11:12 PM

60. DUzy! n/t

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Response to RB TexLa (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 11:07 PM

56. It is very tough on working parents


Not an easy situation all the way around, but, seriously....

WHO DO YOU THINK IS GOING TO BE PAYING FOR YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY?

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Response to RB TexLa (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 11:09 PM

58. mmm...I don't have any kids but....

I know it is very, very difficult indeed for working folk to make and afford changes in routine like that

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Response to RB TexLa (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 11:15 PM

61. I hope these kids don't grow up and decide keeping you alive is a too expensive a lifestyle choice

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Response to RB TexLa (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 11:19 PM

64. If I were still in 7th grade up there,

I would be down on the picket line.

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Response to RB TexLa (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 11:21 PM

65. I can't stand the idea that those kids will pay your social security and medicare


Do have the courtesy not to burden them when you are older.

Okay?

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #65)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 11:22 PM

67. I pay into that as well I'm not a participant in that because I'm not a "hard working family?"

I could have sworn the money I pay into that is just as fucking green as yours or your childrens. I guess not in your eyes, huh?

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Response to RB TexLa (Reply #67)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 11:33 PM

70. You're paying for lifestyle choices all the time. n/t

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Response to RB TexLa (Reply #67)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 11:41 PM

73. Yes, you are paying for current beneficiaries


Neither SS nor Medicare puts your money in a bank account with your name on it.

In both programs, current beneficiaries are paid by current taxpayers.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but your money is not waiting for you in a box with your name on it.

Each working generation is paying for the current beneficiaries.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #73)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 11:56 PM

88. I understand that. If your children should die before you are on it, will you give up your benefits


how could you in your right mind steal from other people's children if yours die before they can pay for yours? No way you could think you deserve to take from other people's kids right?

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Response to RB TexLa (Reply #88)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 12:03 AM

92. I hope whatever you took wears off in a while

Have fun while it lasts.

One of my adult children is blind, and receives supplemental social security. She also works a full time job and, believe it or not, contributes to both SS and medicare.

You want her dead... whatever. Buh-bye.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #92)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 12:26 AM

98. No, I do not want her dead. But you liked pointing out that children would be paying my SS


Seems to indicate that my paying in without having children to pay when I'm on it isn't good enough or as good of a contribution as you and other "hard working families" make to it. I assume you would understand that if your children aren't there to pay when you are on it you would be doing the same thing I am doing.

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Response to RB TexLa (Reply #98)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 12:57 AM

105. Yes, that is correct

Which is why I believe in a society that cares for children.

It takes more workers to support a social security recipient than my two children from my first marriage, and the three whom I decline to call "stepchildren" with whom I was blessed in my second marriage, given that one is disabled.

The weirdness here is what you are reading into the simple statement that other people's children are going to be paying for your social security and medicare.

Your teabagger reflex is to take that as some kind of insult, instead of what it is intended to be - a reminder that WHETHER YOU HAVE CHILDREN OR NOT, YOU HAVE A STAKE IN THE NEXT GENERATION.

That's part of what America is about.

Absolutely, I intend to be doing the same thing you will be doing. It is the same thing we will all be doing, and it binds our collective interest in the education and care of children - not MY children or THEIR children, but AMERICA'S CHILDREN.

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Mon Sep 10, 2012, 11:37 PM

72. The parents have to go to work

So they can care for their children. How difficult is that to understand?

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Response to RB TexLa (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 11:42 PM

74. I know you sit back and enjoy everyone getting riled up at your inflammatory OPs.

And I know you have a history of it.

Sooo . . . enjoy.

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Response to RB TexLa (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 11:44 PM

79. It was just summer break.

Do with the kids whatever you were doing then.

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Response to alphafemale (Reply #79)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 11:46 PM

81. Send them to a Y program that's only open in the summer?

That'll work.

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Response to alphafemale (Reply #79)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 09:27 PM

134. Thank GAWD You Don't Have Children

Knowing that just makes my day!

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Response to RB TexLa (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 11:45 PM

80. You sound like a tea bagger. Congratulations

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Response to RB TexLa (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 11:47 PM

82. you dont childrear with us!

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Response to RB TexLa (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 11:50 PM

84. So, about math...

I was just thinking, I'd like to post about a subject I know nothing about. Did you know that 8 + Y - -13 + X = WTF?

Neither did I.

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Response to RB TexLa (Original post)

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 11:58 PM

89. Stand in protest with teachers!

That's what.

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Response to RB TexLa (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 12:09 AM

93. This post would be hidden by jury decision

if I wrote what I think of you and your attitude to others.

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Response to RB TexLa (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 01:47 AM

111. You are a taxpayer. You pay for children even if you don't want to.

My town needed a new high school. So it was built. With money from people that may or may not have children. Your questioning why you should pay for people's "lifestyle choice" is irrelevant. You already do. Unless you plan on becoming a libertarian or ultra conservative. And even then public education is not going away.

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Response to Jennicut (Reply #111)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 01:59 AM

112. I don't have any kids but....

I like being around educated people so I don't mind paying for taxes for a new high school!

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Response to Skittles (Reply #112)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 02:18 AM

117. And I had no problem with it either.

Of course, my kids are going to attend that school someday but I paid taxes for public school before I had children as did everyone in the United States.

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Response to RB TexLa (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 02:05 AM

113. It's just their way of making clear that they don't give a shit about schools so long as they have..

a warehouse to cram their kid into.

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Response to RB TexLa (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 09:10 AM

121. Wow.

Please tell me this is sarcasm.

Otherwise, this ranks as one of THE most disgusting posts I've ever seen here.

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Response to RB TexLa (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 09:19 AM

122. I'm not personally that bitter about it, but I understand the sentiment.

 

One thing many people, especially people with children, don't seem to understand is a) not everyone likes kids, b) not everyone wants kids and c) not everyone is able to have kids. For people in these groups, it often seems like other people have the attitude that "everything is about the children." If you are a woman who has had five miscarriages trying to have her own child, this can be offensive. If you are a homosexual couple in a hostile state that doesn't allow you to adopt, this can be offensive. If you simply choose not to have kids, this can be offensive. In fact, the tax breaks and other benefits offered to people who do have children can be seen as discrimination against those who do not, which can be offensive. Just as Christians usually do not realize how pushy and in-your-face their expression of their beliefs can be to someone who is not Christian, people with kids often have no empathy for those who do not.

I don't know if this explains the OP's position or not, but it's something to think about. The world is not all about the children. They play a major role and deserve protection, but don't assume everyone feels the same way you do about them.

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Response to RB TexLa (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 10:23 AM

124. They feel that a deal has been busted, and that they have been hung out to dry.

 

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Response to RB TexLa (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 10:29 AM

126. Well, bless your teabagger heart. nt

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Response to RB TexLa (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 10:47 AM

127. This may be the worst post I've seen on this site

How many school aged kids are in day care?
Also could you act like an adult and not type in ALLCAPS?

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Response to RB TexLa (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 11:12 AM

129. Think of it as paying for your own education after the fact,

instead of paying for someone else's now.

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Response to RB TexLa (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 11:20 AM

130. And what did these parents do in the summer?

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Response to RB TexLa (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 11:48 AM

131. too long since you've received your last hug....?

"THE JOY OF BEING A PARENT OUTWEIGHS THE COST! "
What precisely are the two sums (joy, and cost), and on what objective measure are those two sums based upon?


"If you have to pay for extra day care, there is nothing to worry about."
What specifically leads you to believe that?





Or has it merely been too long since you've received your last validating hug....?

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Response to RB TexLa (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 11:50 AM

132. Really? This is what you're upset about?

Okaaaaay...

BTW, are you getting enough fiber?

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