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Mon Sep 3, 2012, 11:23 PM

The fact checkers are hard at work

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Reply The fact checkers are hard at work (Original post)
Playinghardball Sep 2012 OP
GreenPartyVoter Sep 2012 #1
lpbk2713 Sep 2012 #2
central scrutinizer Sep 2012 #8
DallasNE Sep 2012 #20
rock Sep 2012 #27
calimary Sep 2012 #3
ToxMarz Sep 2012 #15
calimary Sep 2012 #24
Marie Marie Sep 2012 #4
gkhouston Sep 2012 #5
Guy Whitey Corngood Sep 2012 #6
cynatnite Sep 2012 #7
jillan Sep 2012 #9
BlueJazz Sep 2012 #10
Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2012 #11
shawn703 Sep 2012 #12
laundry_queen Sep 2012 #34
progree Sep 2012 #13
Enrique Sep 2012 #28
subterranean Sep 2012 #14
bhikkhu Sep 2012 #18
defacto7 Sep 2012 #16
progressoid Sep 2012 #22
bhikkhu Sep 2012 #17
Summer Hathaway Sep 2012 #19
SoapBox Sep 2012 #21
smirkymonkey Sep 2012 #25
alterfurz Sep 2012 #35
King_Klonopin Sep 2012 #23
liberal N proud Sep 2012 #26
Astazia Sep 2012 #29
pampango Sep 2012 #30
rdking647 Sep 2012 #31
LondonReign2 Sep 2012 #32
Sheepshank Sep 2012 #33
alterfurz Sep 2012 #36

Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon Sep 3, 2012, 11:27 PM

1. Slight discrepancy, there.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon Sep 3, 2012, 11:27 PM

2. "Yeah? Well I was close."




"See? Both numbers have a four in them."





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Response to lpbk2713 (Reply #2)

Mon Sep 3, 2012, 11:35 PM

8. what's a couple orders of magnitude among friends?

Did I tell you about my marathon?

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Response to central scrutinizer (Reply #8)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 02:11 AM

20. Speaking Of Scale Of Magnitude

This past Sunday a woman panelist on Meet The Press claimed, during a discussion on how Romney would create 12 million new jobs in his first 4 years, that Romney would approve the Keystone XL pipeline and that alone would create a million new jobs. Most experts say is would probably create not more than 5,000 jobs and most of those would disappear after 2 years.

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Response to lpbk2713 (Reply #2)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 08:29 AM

27. Yeah? I knew it was a number

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon Sep 3, 2012, 11:28 PM

3. Whatever you say, Pinocchio.

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Response to calimary (Reply #3)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 01:35 AM

15. Pinochio

It's funny. I've never thought he had a big nose. Definitely a strong angular nose. But now that so much attention is focused on his blatant lying and Pinochio references, every picture my eyes focus straight on his nose, and his regular nose appears HUGE! At first I thought it was Photoshoped.

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Response to ToxMarz (Reply #15)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 03:25 AM

24. Welcome to DU, ToxMarz!

Glad you're with us, and we sure do need you!

We've got an election to win, and liars to defeat!




Now get to work.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon Sep 3, 2012, 11:28 PM

4. How are they not the least bit embarrassed by their constant lies

when everyone, even the right, is calling them out on them? Oh yeah, lacking the integrity gene.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon Sep 3, 2012, 11:31 PM

5. And yet the MSM treats him as a Serious Person with deep economic knowledge.

Deep piles of bullshit is more like it.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon Sep 3, 2012, 11:32 PM

6. So he was off by 1.35 million. So what? Did you see those

deep blue eyes.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon Sep 3, 2012, 11:33 PM

7. He was only off by 1.352 million jobs. You people are too picky. n/t

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon Sep 3, 2012, 11:40 PM

9. Oh come on you guys!! Give him a break - It's an easy mistake!

Both figures have a 4 in them!!!



This man has NO conscience - or brains- or BOTh

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 12:45 AM

10. You people are just not thinking deep enough. Mr. Ryan was thinking in Base 24.

Which is 1.423 million (fairly close) in base 10

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 12:49 AM

11. Tell you what Ryan,...I'll round it up for ya...

Instead of 47 something,...I'll give ya an even 50 cents.

You give me 140 bucks in return.

Then I'll listen to you tell me about how brilliant you are with numbers.

Deal?

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 01:06 AM

12. A couple of things I would like to see

One is for someone to ask the question "If Romney/Ryan thinks Obama's record is so bad, why do they need to lie about it?"

The second is for Biden to call Ryan a liar to his face in the VP debate when it's deserved.

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Response to shawn703 (Reply #12)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 10:48 AM

34. +1 nt

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 01:22 AM

13. Nearly 1.4 million consumers filed for personal bankruptcy

"In 2011, 9,772 businesses filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection, and nearly 1.4 million consumers filed for personal bankruptcy."

Source: http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2012/09/02/bankruptcy-filing-by-bain-owned-firm-shows-inequity-of-system.html

Well, according to the Supreme Court, corporations (and businesses) are people, so I guess maybe people are businesses or some-such.

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"Ryan also got it wrong with regard to the number of business bankruptcies last year. In 2011, there were 1,410,653 total bankruptcies. Of that number 47,806 were business bankruptcies and 1,362,847 were non-business bankruptcies."

Source: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/fact-check-paul-ryans-jimmy-carter-comments/

A lot of other false Ryan statements at the above link.

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Response to progree (Reply #13)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 08:36 AM

28. thanks for the link

a picture with a quote isn't enough.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 01:28 AM

14. The 1.4 million figure includes non-business bankruptcies.

Both business and non-business bankruptcy filings were down from the previous year, but I guess Ryan forgot to mention that.

Source:
http://www.uscourts.gov/News/NewsView/11-11-07/Bankruptcy_Filings_Down_in_Fiscal_Year_2011.aspx

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Response to subterranean (Reply #14)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 01:58 AM

18. Both numbers are heading down from 2009



...as the economy improves.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 01:45 AM

16. 96.5855% off isn't that bad...

I mean his marathon memory was off by about 26%. About the same difference.

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Response to defacto7 (Reply #16)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 02:31 AM

22. He likes to round up.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 01:53 AM

17. His brain works so fast, you have to apply a coefficient to the numbers he comes up with

Its not his fault all the rest of us live in an inferior version of reality!

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 02:03 AM

19. As Ellen Degeneres said

re the One Million Moms on FB against her as spokesperson for J.C. Penny: "Not that anyone is counting, but they only have 40,000 members on their page. So they're rounding up to the nearest million - and I get that."

Hey, who doesn't do that?

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 02:14 AM

21. Coupon Care Ryan needs some SERIOUS

mental health help. I assume that it's covered as an option in HIS health care plan!

This continuous lying could make him even nuttier than he already is...maybe that is what THIRTEEN YEARS in Congress will do to ya!

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Response to SoapBox (Reply #21)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 07:44 AM

25. That's not evwn a little.minor lie.

That is a huge lie, distoting information and used to discredit the Obama administrtion.

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Response to SoapBox (Reply #21)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 12:23 PM

35. or Groupon?

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 02:37 AM

23. And the reason for all these bankruptcies is ??? .........

TAXES and OBAMA and blah blah blah

Of course, the real reason is that the middle class has no money
to spend. Most of their spending/purchasing is done with credit cards.
We can't sustain a consumption-based, service-based economy
on massive debt, or it will collapse.

Obama has passed many bills that lowered taxes on small business.

Republicans have obstructed any bills which would have put more
money into the hands of the middle class, while clinging to their
trickle-down delusions.

Small business bankruptcies are common and expected; a good
number of small businesses will fail.
47,806 is still a large number, although trending downward -- but
PERSONAL bankruptcies, which have exploded because of the "legislation"
(written by lobbyists) that benefits banks and screws the consumer,
the huge amount of debt that the middle class has been forced to live on,
and the cost of health care, account for that remaining million plus.

Keep on spinnin' and lyin' all you want, Pauly, but you will find the
true cause of this problem in your own mirror.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 08:12 AM

26. Pulling numbers out of his lying ass!

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 09:20 AM

29. Lyin' Ryan set to "OCCUPY CONFESSIONALS" (coming to a city near you...

I was raised in a Jewish home...& even I know a dutiful Catholic goes to confession for lying. What I don't know is how often should one go when each day comes more & more blatant lies. And they are enabled by other repukes when asked to comment on Lyin' Ryan's speech Wed. night, Mayor Rudy "9-11" Giuliani says "well look, when people give speeches not every fact is always absolutely accurate“.


Perhaps they have a priest onboard the Ryan campaign plane to make sure he doesn't amass press photos of him exiting churches in swing states for the next 8 weeks. He also needs tutors-"staffers" in math, biology, & ethics.(regardless of the Rmoney-Lyan campaign guy stating that they won't let fact checkers get in the way of the campaign. Personally, I hope they just keep on,keepin' on. They all (repuke surrogates & candidates) remind me of that old tired yet apropos joke...How can you tell if Ryan is lyin'? His lips are movin'!

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 09:29 AM

30. WaPo Plumline: Paul Ryan has had what I’ve long thought was an undeserved good reputation among many

in the press and in Washington. It shouldn’t survive tonight’s speech (at the republican convention).

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/paul-ryan-fails----the-truth/2012/08/29/bbfe1eac-f254-11e1-b74c-84ed55e0300b_blog.html

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 10:08 AM

31. i went to politifact

according to them 45% of ryans statements are mostly false or worse
mittens doesn fare much better at 42%
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/paul-ryan/
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/mitt-romney/
by comparison Obama gets a 27%
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/barack-obama/

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 10:41 AM

32. I sure hope his brother "gives him a good ribbing" for this one

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 10:45 AM

33. W-E-L-L-.....Since corporations are people, my friend

he is probably counting every single bankrupcy filed in the nation. Not nice to mislead the constituency....again.

I honestly believe that they think their own team is so stupid, they can treat them like inane lap dogs. I wonder, the rank and file Republicans, do they like being treated this way?

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 12:26 PM

36. By his own admission we know Paul Ryan is super-fast...

...so how come those nerdy fact-checkers always seem to be able to catch him?

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