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Thu Jan 5, 2012, 06:28 PM

Checkmate! Looks like Pres Obama may have set the GOP up before making the 4 recess appointments


I saw a comment in the comment section that is spot on.
(here:http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/01/04/397578/bush-administration-legal-advisers-said-obama-can-recess-appoint-cordray/ )

Patrick Hughes · Boston, Massachusetts
When the president announced he was going to use his authority to raise the debt limit a couple of days ago, Republicans in Congress whined mightily that they wouldn't be able to demagogue the issue because their bodies were in recess. Now they are trying to argue that they aren't in recess. Go figure.


LOL

So, I went and looked up what was reported regarding what 'Congress' said in response to Obama's debt ceiling request...

Obama requested a debt ceiling increase and CONGRESS asked him to 'wait' because 'they are NOT in session' (!!!) - LOL
See here: http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-01-05/obama-will-delay-debt-limit-increase-request-official-says.html
and here: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/12/30/obama-delays-request-for-12t-debt-ceiling-increase/

It does seem like President Obama laid the ground work that would show that Congress refused to 'do any business' because they were not in session, before he made yesterday's four recess appointments - So, it looks like President Obama set this one up VERY well, and the GOP wouldn't have a leg to stand on if they were to fight against the appointments in court!

Good job President Obama!





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Tx4obama Jan 2012 OP
SpiralHawk Jan 2012 #1
SunsetDreams Jan 2012 #2
Old Codger Jan 2012 #3
Robb Jan 2012 #4
kentuck Jan 2012 #5
monmouth Jan 2012 #6
redqueen Jan 2012 #54
JNelson6563 Jan 2012 #7
notadmblnd Jan 2012 #8
ProSense Jan 2012 #9
kentuck Jan 2012 #13
PatrynXX Jan 2012 #36
tallahasseedem Jan 2012 #26
Zorra Jan 2012 #10
CakeGrrl Jan 2012 #11
Blue Owl Jan 2012 #12
JoePhilly Jan 2012 #14
lamp_shade Jan 2012 #15
wandy Jan 2012 #16
Spazito Jan 2012 #17
Frustratedlady Jan 2012 #18
DCBob Jan 2012 #19
Tx4obama Jan 2012 #20
DCBob Jan 2012 #24
Tx4obama Jan 2012 #27
DCBob Jan 2012 #28
deacon Jan 2012 #21
malaise Jan 2012 #22
MilesColtrane Jan 2012 #23
whathehell Jan 2012 #25
MH1 Jan 2012 #29
joshcryer Jan 2012 #30
grantcart Jan 2012 #31
Pirate Smile Jan 2012 #42
riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #32
opihimoimoi Jan 2012 #33
stillwaiting Jan 2012 #34
FSogol Jan 2012 #35
Historic NY Jan 2012 #37
madamesilverspurs Jan 2012 #38
Pirate Smile Jan 2012 #39
Tx4obama Jan 2012 #41
spanone Jan 2012 #40
Tarheel_Dem Jan 2012 #43
Surya Gayatri Jan 2012 #44
Rex Jan 2012 #45
Motown_Johnny Jan 2012 #46
tabatha Jan 2012 #57
a2liberal Jan 2012 #47
Lone_Star_Dem Jan 2012 #48
sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #49
lamp_shade Jan 2012 #50
mopinko Jan 2012 #51
Pirate Smile Jan 2012 #55
Jester Messiah Jan 2012 #52
Ikonoklast Jan 2012 #53
JDPriestly Jan 2012 #56
Tx4obama Jan 2012 #59
librechik Jan 2012 #58
Tx4obama Jan 2012 #60
Old and In the Way Jan 2012 #61
lamp_shade Jan 2012 #62
Tx4obama Jan 2012 #63

Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Thu Jan 5, 2012, 06:30 PM

1. The olde winger wangerooo

 

turnabout suckerage -- for those who have so maliciously suckered America.

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Thu Jan 5, 2012, 06:33 PM

2. Ha ha ha Thanks for pointing this out

I didn't know about that at all. I think you are onto something

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Thu Jan 5, 2012, 06:33 PM

3. LOL

Got em

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Thu Jan 5, 2012, 06:34 PM

4. The man has excellent Constitution Fu.

(bows)

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Thu Jan 5, 2012, 06:35 PM

5. Hmmmm...

Interesting...

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Thu Jan 5, 2012, 06:35 PM

6. There's that chess thingy again...LOL..n/t

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Response to monmouth (Reply #6)

Fri Jan 6, 2012, 11:44 AM

54. +1

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Thu Jan 5, 2012, 06:35 PM

7. I reckon there'll be more of this....

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Thu Jan 5, 2012, 06:35 PM

8. Not only are the GOP presidential candidates looking like a bunch of clowns

the entire GOP congress is too.

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Thu Jan 5, 2012, 06:36 PM

9. Oh

Because Congress won’t be in session in the next 15 days, Obama agreed to the joint request from Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, a Nevada Democrat, and House Speaker John Boehner, an Ohio Republican. The House of Representatives is scheduled to return on Jan. 17 and the Senate plans to reconvene on Jan. 23.

...my!



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Response to ProSense (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 5, 2012, 06:37 PM

13. Did they step in it ?!

Or what?

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Response to kentuck (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 5, 2012, 11:46 PM

36. So far the two twins stepped in it

something about late breaking news that Rick Santorum might have won Iowa anyway. missing votes. what is this Wisconsin. Either way Mitt, willard and Rick all stepped head first in it.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 5, 2012, 07:55 PM

26. Oh my indeed!

This is just...well, BRILLIANT!

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Thu Jan 5, 2012, 06:37 PM

10. Nice set up. Well done! nt

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Thu Jan 5, 2012, 06:37 PM

11. Nooooo, it can't be CHESS!

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Thu Jan 5, 2012, 06:37 PM

12. Suck it McConnell

You heard me

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Thu Jan 5, 2012, 06:41 PM

14. Now THAT is hilarious!!!!

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Thu Jan 5, 2012, 06:42 PM

15. GREAT observation, Tx4obama.

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Thu Jan 5, 2012, 06:43 PM

16. Never try to play checkers with a Chess master.

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Thu Jan 5, 2012, 06:45 PM

17. Oh dear...

and from fox news no less:

"But with Congress not due to return to Washington until mid-January, lawmakers asked Obama to delay his request so they would be in session during the 15-day period allowed for objections."

It does not say the House, it says Congress which is both the House and the Senate. As the now famous faux pas of Rick Perry so eloquently stated, "Oops!"

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Thu Jan 5, 2012, 06:54 PM

18. I thought they were keeping at least two congresscritters around so he couldn't do that.

Didn't they do that a year or so ago?

I love it when he zings them.

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Thu Jan 5, 2012, 07:00 PM

19. I think there is also some strategy to making the appointment during a "pro-forma" recess.

Apparently he could have waited a bit and there would have been a window for a "legimate" recess appointment just prior to the first session of congress. But I think the President wanted this to make some news to highlight the GOP's extremism against the consumer protection bureau. The optics are bad for the Republicans on this and the President knows it. Well done once again!

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Response to DCBob (Reply #19)

Thu Jan 5, 2012, 07:28 PM

20. Well that window passed on January 3rd

As of Tuesday, January 3, 2012 - we are now in the second half of the 112th Session of Congress.
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Note: if President Obama had made the recess appointments on January 3, 2012, in between the first and second half of the 112th Congressional Session, then they would have only been in effect for ONE year. Since President Obama waited and made the appointments on January 4th they will be effect for TWO years.
See here: http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/01/the-hidden-benefit-of-obamas-hardball-consumer-watchdog-gambit.php

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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #20)

Thu Jan 5, 2012, 07:44 PM

24. I didnt realize that window already passed..

but I still think he may have purposely not done it during that window.

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Response to DCBob (Reply #24)

Thu Jan 5, 2012, 07:56 PM

27. Yes, so that the appointments will last 'two' years instead of 'one' :) n/t

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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #27)

Thu Jan 5, 2012, 07:59 PM

28. I see. Yeah that make sense.

thanks for the clarification.

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Thu Jan 5, 2012, 07:32 PM

21. Bazinga. n/t

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Thu Jan 5, 2012, 07:34 PM

22. Freaking perfect

GObama!!

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Thu Jan 5, 2012, 07:36 PM

23. pWned

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Thu Jan 5, 2012, 07:52 PM

25. Music to my ears...Keep on keepin' on!

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Thu Jan 5, 2012, 08:50 PM

29. Oh, that is beautiful!

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Thu Jan 5, 2012, 08:52 PM

30. That's ridiculously hilarious, haha!

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Thu Jan 5, 2012, 08:57 PM

31. Great point


I wondered at the time why he delayed the debt ceiling move.

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Response to grantcart (Reply #31)

Fri Jan 6, 2012, 01:12 AM

42. Yeah. It seemed odd. They put out the request.

Everybody thought they might be jamming Congress, Congresd objected, and then we haven't heard anything about it since then. I wondered what was going on
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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Thu Jan 5, 2012, 08:59 PM

32. This is a great point. I definitely applaud! nt

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Thu Jan 5, 2012, 09:03 PM

33. Chess Master...5 moves ahead all the time.... BatShit Crazy...GOPers are TOO EASY...

KnR

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Thu Jan 5, 2012, 09:25 PM

34. I love it when Obama makes me happy.

I really, really do.

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Thu Jan 5, 2012, 10:46 PM

35. K & R. Perfect. n/t

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Fri Jan 6, 2012, 12:05 AM

37. Good find....

their official calender also betrays them.

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Fri Jan 6, 2012, 12:16 AM

38. Indeed!

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Fri Jan 6, 2012, 12:28 AM

39. K & R - that's awesome.

Here is more info re why Pres. Obama chose those 4 spots to recess appoint http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002122292

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Response to Pirate Smile (Reply #39)

Fri Jan 6, 2012, 01:02 AM

41. Yep. :) n/t

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Fri Jan 6, 2012, 12:30 AM

40. k&r...

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Fri Jan 6, 2012, 01:15 AM

43. Tx4o, you're good. Really good. Great catch.

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Fri Jan 6, 2012, 01:44 AM

44. And the Zen chess-master strikes again...

This is a man who never reacts in anger; therein lies his secret strength and subtle source of power.

In fact, he's more like an oriental master of GO, surrounding his adversary,
rendering him impotent,
and relegating him to an irrelevant corner of the battlefield.

So satisfying to watch him slowly, but relentlessly, advance across the board. But, frustrating to see the public and media misinterpret his every move as 'weakness', while braying for more bloody confrontation. SG

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Fri Jan 6, 2012, 01:58 AM

45. GOOD!

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Fri Jan 6, 2012, 02:02 AM

46. Cheney syndrome


I'm in the Executive Branch, no no no, I am in the Legislative Branch!


We are not in session, no no no, we are in session!



I am so happy the election is finally starting to draw near. Pres. Obama is starting to come out of his shell.

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Response to Motown_Johnny (Reply #46)

Fri Jan 6, 2012, 01:37 PM

57. I think the timing of "out of the shell" is perfect.

He knows when to leave certain strategies alone until they are most effective.

If he had done this before, the Repubs would have been wary. Instead they walked smack into a wall.

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Fri Jan 6, 2012, 03:17 AM

47. Nice! (n/t)

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Fri Jan 6, 2012, 03:31 AM

48. How dare he!

Not only is this going to take all the fun out the Congressional Republicans semi-annual debt ceiling poo-fest. It's going to make all of them look like the lazy obstructionist buffoons they are during an election year!

Double not fair!

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Fri Jan 6, 2012, 03:38 AM

49. Lol, checkmated! I hope we see him doing more of this to Republicans. This is what people

wanted to see. They are ultimately cowards and bullies and never should be catered to. Maybe he finally learned that over the past three years.

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Fri Jan 6, 2012, 05:04 AM

50. Good morning. K&R. 132 now... 3 "boths".

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Fri Jan 6, 2012, 10:21 AM

51. were there other appointments?

DH says there were bunches.

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Response to mopinko (Reply #51)

Fri Jan 6, 2012, 11:45 AM

55. There was 4 - Cordray & 3 to the NLRB.

Those appointments make it so those 2 agencies can function - without them, the agencies don't work.

CFPB couldn't start regulating non-banks like payday lenders, etc. until they had a director so now they can do that.

The NLRB was going to fail to have enough people to form a quorum so they wouldn't have been able to function either.

Pres. Obama didn't do a mass recess appointment like Teddy Roosevelt did. He only appointed the ones where the Republicans blocking them actually crippled their ability to perform their legislative function. It was actually about the agencies, not the appointees.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002122292

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Fri Jan 6, 2012, 11:38 AM

52. Forget chess, this man plays rope-a-dope like a Stradivarius! [nt]

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Fri Jan 6, 2012, 11:43 AM

53. He showed them his right hand, kept it out there, then...BOOM!

A huge left hook comes out of nowhere and caught them flush on the jaw.

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Fri Jan 6, 2012, 12:52 PM

56. What is more. As I understand it, Obama has a majority support in the Senate for his

nominations. The Republicans could prevent these nominations from coming to the floor but I don't think they have the votes to override his appointments.

Therefore, Obama is on safe ground in making these appointments.

Good for Obama.

In particular, the Richard Cordray appointment should be very popular with voters. Strong oversight of the financial sector's dealings with consumers could have prevented the mortgage fraud that has brought down the world economy.

The sales personnel for the financial sector who market their lies about the melt-down would have us believe that somehow millions of homebuyers who were too stupid to know how to read their loan agreements were smart enough to trick banks into lending even more millions.

Can you think of anything less logical. If a person couldn't do math well enough to figure out how much his adjustable mortgage might cost if interest rates rose, how could he possibly have understood how to falsify his credit story just enough to qualify for a loan he couldn't afford?

Nonsense. The folks who knew exactly how to fix the numbers and get the buyer qualified are responsible for the irresponsible lending practices. They "helped" get buyers in over their heads and took home big paychecks for doing it.

Apparently bankers and their spokespeople don't have to think logically.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #56)

Fri Jan 6, 2012, 05:22 PM

59. More info regarding Cordray

President Obama originally sent the Cordray nomination to The Senate July 17, 2011.

On December 8, 2011 The Senate failed to get 60 votes for cloture (53-45)
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=112&session=1&vote=00223

Then on December 17, 2011 (the day The Senate went home for the Christmas break) The Senate announced the Cordray nomination would be dropped from consideration and sent back to the White House along with several other nominations
http://democrats.senate.gov/2011/12/17/senate-floor-wrap-up-for-saturday-december-17-2011/

So, considering the nomination was sent back to the WH and since the GOP said they would NOT confirm 'anyone' for that position - Obama had no other alternative than to make the recess appointment in order to keep the agency up and running.

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Fri Jan 6, 2012, 01:45 PM

58. lol--GOP talking out of both sides of their mouths has predictable results. n/t

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Sat Jan 7, 2012, 01:38 AM

60. MORE evidence (PROOF) that The House is in recess

For the second time in recent weeks, C-SPAN’s video on Friday morning cut away from high drama in the U.S. Congress as Democrats demanded to be heard, only to see their session immediately shut down by Republicans.

In another so-called “pro forma” session, or a session of Congress staged merely as formality in order to block presidential recess appointments, the House of Representatives was gaveled in on Friday and immediately gaveled out again, even as Democrats took to the floor demanding to know where their Republican colleagues were.

After the session was initiated, Rep. James Clyburn (D-SC) stood and asked Rep. Jeff Denham (R-CA), “Where are the Republicans?” He was joined by Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and a small assemblage of other Democrats who’ve been pushing to extend lower payroll tax rates to working Americans.

SNIP

Links to the rest of the article and VIDEO here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10175224

p.s. Pelosi knows that the Republicans are not going to let anyone speak during the Pro-forma sessions, so going there today to try to speak has to be part of a calculated strategy, in my opinion, to rack up more evidence that The House is actually in recess.

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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #60)

Sun Jan 8, 2012, 12:49 AM

61. Good stuff!

It certainly does look like the Republicans have painted themselves into a corner on this issue. Oh well, sucks to be them.

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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #60)

Sun Jan 8, 2012, 06:46 AM

62. Pelosi, Axelrod and Debbie W-S will be on this morning's talk shows. I hope they

discuss this issue broadly, loudly and IMO exclusively. The issue has not received much, if any, media attention.

Axelrod (ABC This Week)
Pelosi (CNN w/Crowley)
W-S (Fox)

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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #60)

Tue Jan 10, 2012, 06:28 PM

63. And it has happened again on January 10th


See DU OP here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002149132
House GOP shuts down Dem speaker Jim Moran in pro forma session

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