Fri Aug 31, 2012, 04:45 PM
struggle4progress (84,767 posts)
Argentina's ambassador to the UK badly needs a history lesson
Last edited Fri Aug 31, 2012, 05:49 PM - Edit history (1)
Alicia Castro hit the news this week with her comments: she said the UK was exhibiting precisely the same arrogance in the Assange affair that it had exhibited in the 1982 Falkland-Malvinas war
No one will fault the ambassador for her nationalism: surely she is proud of her country and is in London to serve its interests. And many see the Falklands-Malvinas war as a sad waste of 900 lives. We might quibble idly about whether archipelago was or was not within Argentine territorial waters, or whether the British Isles had really controlled the territory since 1833, or whether the inhabitants of Stanley considered themselves Her Majesty's subjects. Those of us who disliked Maggie Thatcher's reign, of course, easily consider pinning the entire unnecessary fiasco on her, for she was so proud of it. But there is much a larger back story here -- and other issues
Argentina endured seven years of military dictatorship after Videla's 1976 coup replaced Isabel Perón. It was not a happy time, and Argentina has labored long and hard to face it squarely. The Dirty War involved murdering activists by the thousands across the entire region. Some were tortured before being dumped into the Atlantic from aircraft. The fate of thousands is still unknown. Children, orphaned by the murder of their parents, were stolen from their remaining families and adopted to hide their true histories
Argentina's military, unsurprisingly, used nationalistic posturing to win support. They had scarcely come to power when they set out to provoke a conflict with the UK, by building an outpost in the Sandwich Islands. In the following years, the UK attempted to resolve the matter by diplomacy. In 1977, when the World Court ruled against Argentina, assigning the Beagle Channel islands to Chile, the junta denounced the ruling and began planning a military operation, which was prevented by further international mediation efforts. Ultimately, the Pope's intervention nominally settled the Beagle Channel islands dispute
So when Argentine troops landed in the Falklands-Malvinas, ill-will was available in whole-sale quantities. Recent history did not suggest to the UK that there were good prospects for diplomacy with Argentina. And recent history suggested to the Chileans that the Falklands-Malvinas operation was merely an exercise preparatory towards an invasion of Chile. So the UK cut a deal with Pinochet and (much to the surprise of Argentina's dictator) took back the Falklands-Malvinas and the Sandwich Islands
On the home front, people had become thoroughly sick of the junta -- and the defeat in the Falklands-Malvinas war showed that the junta was not invincible. Losing all political support, the junta was forced to accept a restoration of democracy
Alicia Castro may not have fond memories of the Falklands-Malvinas war. But Argentina's loss really was a good thing for Argentina
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28.08.2012 | 13:06
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28.08.2012 | 13:06
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Argentina's ambassador to the UK badly needs a history lesson (Original post)
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Response to struggle4progress (Original post)
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 04:52 PM
Spider Jerusalem (19,205 posts)
1. Sorry, but if anyone was displaying "arrogance" over the Falklands it would be the Argentines.
Who invaded the sovereign territory of another country with their military and asserted rights of ownership based on geographical proximity rather than possession, self-determination, and history. And as far as international law goes? Self-determination is the most pertinent point; the Falklanders see themselves as British, full stop, and there the matter remains until such time as they change their minds.
Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #1)
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 08:18 PM
loli phabay (5,580 posts)
3. yup this is the simplest part of the whole story
the islanders see themselves as being british and they should be able to decide what they want to be. Dont think the Argentinians will invade again but this stuff will just keep going on and on and on.
Response to struggle4progress (Original post)
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 08:12 PM
struggle4progress (84,767 posts)
2. Argentina blasts UK “arrogant” approach to Assange case and Falklands’ dispute
... Ms Castro also revealed that ... she met with Assange at the Ecuadorean embassy in London while listening to the live transmission of the OAS Foreign ministers meeting in Washington ...
“We were sitting looking at the debate when Assange turned up and shook hands with all the ambassadors and diplomatic representatives and stayed on for quite some time. He talked with several of us while following the OAS debate”, said Ambassador Castro ...
Response to struggle4progress (Original post)
Sat Sep 1, 2012, 12:19 PM
BritBob (4 posts)
4. The Falklands
In 1833 the Royal Navy removed a small Argentine garrison from the Falkland Islands but allowed some settlers to stay; Britain having already claimed the islands. This irked Argentina. But in 1850 Britain and Argentina signed a treaty called 'the Convention of Settlement.' In the treaty both countries acknowledged that, 'a state of perfect harmony had been restored' and 'that neither country had ANY outstanding differences.' In the 1870s and 1880s the Argentine government produced tens of thousands of maps for its consulates that either omitted the Falkland Islands from their territory or showed the Falklands in a different colour like the '1882 Latzina Map' - successfully used by Chile in their Beagle Island Dispute with Argentina. The UK government has offered to go to the Courts of International Justice with Argentina on three occasions over ownership of the Falklands. Argentina refused to take up any of the offers. The 'Great Malvinas Lie' has only been used since the time of Peron to stir up nationalist feelings. The Argentine claim to the Falkland Islands is no stronger than Canada claiming Alaska because it's closer. Argentine politicians are aware of this but keep using the topic to distract their people away from harsh economics, much of which has been caused by poor governance. The 3,000 people of the Falklands have the right to self-determination under the UN charter which is paramount.