Fri Aug 17, 2012, 01:52 PM
SunsetDreams (8,300 posts)
Say What?!?!? Romney Adviser: It's 'Politically Unwise' To Campaign In SpecificsLast edited Fri Aug 17, 2012, 02:02 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) So far, putting Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) on presumptive GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney's ticket hasn't led to any detailed plans for his top issue, the budget. That won't change, according to a Romney aide who spoke to Politico.
"The nature of running a presidential campaign is that you're communicating direction to the American people," a Romney adviser, who is not named, told Politico. "Campaigns that are about specifics, particularly in today's environment, get tripped up." The issue of the budget, particularly taxes and cuts to entitlement programs, is a pivotal one for the election and is one both campaigns are trying to exploit. For the Romney campaign, that has meant accusing President Barack Obama of decimating Medicare by taking funds from it for his health care law, even though that is a false claim. Ryan's own budget would transform the program to make it almost unrecognizable. ... "What you're going to see is a campaign that has clear direction, but not a Simpson-Bowles or Ryan-budget level of detail," the adviser told Politico. "It's not only politically unwise to do that, but it's not how the voters engage in a presidential campaign." Ryan said earlier this week that he plans to discuss tax plans, but not until after the election. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/17/romney-adviser-campaign-specifics_n_1797570.html Edited to add some of my favorite comments: The GOP wants to "save" the economy, they want to "save" Medicare, they want to "save" the soul of America.
The only thing they'll "save" are the details from you and me. Maybe Mitt doesn't know what specifics are.
"Mr. Romney- can you use the word 'specific' in a sentence?" "Sure I can: My new car elevator overlooks the specific ocean." Serf city- here we come..... "WE'D TELL YOU, BUT THEN WE'D LOSE"
The Romney-Ryan Plan, in the words of Forrest Gump, "is like a box of chocolates ... you never know what you're gonna get ... "
And, let me add, that chocolate may look appealing on the outside but take a bite and you find that it's full of nuts!! So what will Mitt and Ryan talk about during the debates?
Mitt might talk about how he disposed of aborted fetuses, and Ryan might talk about how he re-named a post office. Other than that? I don't know. Obama/Biden 2012 The comments are great!
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| SunsetDreams | Aug 2012 | OP | |
| Hissyspit | Aug 2012 | #1 | |
| russspeakeasy | Aug 2012 | #2 | |
| RedStateLiberal | Aug 2012 | #3 | |
| NYC Liberal | Aug 2012 | #15 | |
| PDJane | Aug 2012 | #4 | |
| msongs | Aug 2012 | #5 | |
| Wounded Bear | Aug 2012 | #6 | |
| SunsetDreams | Aug 2012 | #7 | |
| grasswire | Aug 2012 | #8 | |
| SunsetDreams | Aug 2012 | #9 | |
| SunsetDreams | Aug 2012 | #10 | |
| MyshkinCommaPrince | Aug 2012 | #11 | |
| tclambert | Aug 2012 | #25 | |
| librechik | Aug 2012 | #12 | |
| BumRushDaShow | Aug 2012 | #13 | |
| eppur_se_muova | Aug 2012 | #14 | |
| Historic NY | Aug 2012 | #19 | |
| quaker bill | Aug 2012 | #26 | |
| Tennessee Gal | Aug 2012 | #16 | |
| aint_no_life_nowhere | Aug 2012 | #17 | |
| RedStateLiberal | Aug 2012 | #22 | |
| quaker bill | Aug 2012 | #29 | |
| DallasNE | Aug 2012 | #18 | |
| BarackTheVote | Aug 2012 | #20 | |
| Javaman | Aug 2012 | #21 | |
| progressivebydesign | Aug 2012 | #23 | |
| tclambert | Aug 2012 | #24 | |
| quaker bill | Aug 2012 | #27 | |
| progress2k12nbynd | Aug 2012 | #28 | |
| quaker bill | Aug 2012 | #30 | |
| quaker bill | Aug 2012 | #31 | |
| Vattel | Aug 2012 | #32 |
Response to SunsetDreams (Original post)
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 01:53 PM
Hissyspit (40,407 posts)
1. The thing that "trips them up"
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is when the Etch-A-Sketch gets shaken.
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Response to SunsetDreams (Original post)
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 01:55 PM
russspeakeasy (5,788 posts)
2. Damn, damn, damn, details...
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Response to SunsetDreams (Original post)
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 01:55 PM
RedStateLiberal (1,374 posts)
3. Politically unwise for them.
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Because their specifics are unpopular and unrealistic. That's why their campaign is based on lies.
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Response to RedStateLiberal (Reply #3)
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 03:27 PM
NYC Liberal (15,618 posts)
15. Yep, was just going to say this.
Response to SunsetDreams (Original post)
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 01:57 PM
PDJane (8,918 posts)
4. In other words, just trust me. We'll be good.
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Why the hell would anyone vote for these people? They are quite determined to dismantle everything that Americans worked for, and steal whatever wealth they can get their hands on on the way out the door.
Oh, and by the bye, you'll have a police state for the peons by the time it's over. |
Response to PDJane (Reply #4)
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 01:59 PM
msongs (30,811 posts)
5. creation of a police state is well underway, democrats are fine with that nt
Response to SunsetDreams (Original post)
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 02:02 PM
Wounded Bear (2,991 posts)
6. "Because if we tell them what we're really up to....
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Nobody would vote for us."
Pretty simple really. They don't often reveal such truths. |
Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #6)
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 02:04 PM
SunsetDreams (8,300 posts)
7. LOL I know
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For once they admit the truth here.
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Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #6)
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 02:08 PM
grasswire (36,883 posts)
8. it's the same as "if we release our taxes, we will get attacked"
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same logic.
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Response to grasswire (Reply #8)
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 02:19 PM
SunsetDreams (8,300 posts)
9. Exactly! nt
Response to SunsetDreams (Original post)
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 02:36 PM
SunsetDreams (8,300 posts)
10. .
Response to SunsetDreams (Original post)
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 02:41 PM
MyshkinCommaPrince (429 posts)
11. If he wins with this tactic?
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Will we ever again see a fact-driven election cycle, for any office, anywhere, ever? Vote for the feeling!
Yikes. |
Response to MyshkinCommaPrince (Reply #11)
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 05:04 PM
tclambert (5,602 posts)
25. Then in the future, we would only vote for ninjas.
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I'm surprised Romney even uses his real first name. Wait, what? His real first name is Willard? Yeah, I'd keep that a secret, too.
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Response to SunsetDreams (Original post)
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 02:44 PM
librechik (25,163 posts)
12. Yet Obama has to campaign on a record that is entirely fictitious
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after the Repubs get through presenting it in their own lying straw man language.
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Response to SunsetDreams (Original post)
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 02:50 PM
BumRushDaShow (12,021 posts)
13. "what will Mitt and Ryan talk about during the debates?"
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Let me guess...
Flag pins and why Obama's pin is not large enough to discern the 50 stars? I mean what else would shills like Creepy Crawly and Bob Shitffer ask about? |
Response to SunsetDreams (Original post)
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 03:10 PM
eppur_se_muova (20,863 posts)
14. The "Dewey Strategy" ...
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He spoke in platitudes, trying to transcend politics. Speech after speech was filled with empty statements of the obvious, such as the famous quote: "You know that your future is still ahead of you." An editorial in the Louisville Courier-Journal summed it up:
No presidential candidate in the future will be so inept that four of his major speeches can be boiled down to these historic four sentences: Agriculture is important. Our rivers are full of fish. You cannot have freedom without liberty. Our future lies ahead. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_E._Dewey#1948 That worked so well. (NOT to imply that Rmoney is in any other way even remotely similar to Thomas Dewey, who represented the liberal wing(!) of the Republican Party, and played a role in securing the nomination of Eisenhower over the more conservative Taft.) |
Response to eppur_se_muova (Reply #14)
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 03:54 PM
Historic NY (19,872 posts)
19. "Lemon. Wet. Good." Mitt Romney 7/14/12.
Response to eppur_se_muova (Reply #14)
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 06:05 PM
quaker bill (7,150 posts)
26. The Reagan strategy
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all image, no substance, "values" wrapped in a flag, with a yellow ribbon around it.
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Response to SunsetDreams (Original post)
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 03:35 PM
Tennessee Gal (6,160 posts)
16. Even W gave specifics, as best he could.
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What politician expects people to vote for him when he won't tell the voters what he intends to do? Mitt Romney.
It boggles the mind. |
Response to SunsetDreams (Original post)
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 03:41 PM
aint_no_life_nowhere (18,946 posts)
17. It's turning Republicanism into a religion, a faith, a belief
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And Romney must see himself as the shepherd tending his flocked.
"...The GOP wants to "save" the economy, they want to "save" Medicare, they want to "save" the soul of America. ..." "...Job CREATORS blah blah blah ... the faithful must bow down to their CREATORS! ..." |
Response to aint_no_life_nowhere (Reply #17)
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 04:10 PM
RedStateLiberal (1,374 posts)
22. A cult. (nt)
Response to aint_no_life_nowhere (Reply #17)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 06:39 AM
quaker bill (7,150 posts)
29. It is a "Morning in America" Reagan redux
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Listen to them and understand what is coming
"Believe in America" "Our freedoms are God and Nature given" "Restore our Values" "Restore our Freedoms" They will be attempting to run on flag wrapped platitudes. Just exactly the way Reagan did. It is already beginning to work with the "true believers". It will be all image and no substance. They cannot truly run on their record or proposals, because most of us still understand that republicans and their policies made this problem, far too many of us still understand this for them to win on that path. Obama will do some of the same, but also has to go with "Where's the Beef?" "remember, you bought this line before and it did not work so well" .... |
Response to SunsetDreams (Original post)
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 03:50 PM
DallasNE (3,061 posts)
18. The "Pig In A Poke" Campaign
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So voters engage in a campaign by eating up the lies? What world does this clown live in. Romney is coming off a bad month and he just digs in the heels. What a total loser and liar.
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Response to SunsetDreams (Original post)
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 03:54 PM
BarackTheVote (560 posts)
20. "He doesn't trust the American People
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to understand the specifics. He doesn't trust you, America, why should you trust him?" --I think that's a pretty winning line
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Response to SunsetDreams (Original post)
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 04:02 PM
Javaman (40,858 posts)
21. They can't talk about mitten's past, they can't talk about his political record...
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they can't talk about ryan's record, they can't talk about the present, they have a hard time defining their future plans, who the fuck would vote for these two stooges?
repukes, that's who. it's never been about substance to them, it's always been image. |
Response to SunsetDreams (Original post)
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 04:39 PM
progressivebydesign (19,363 posts)
23. And there are millions of people who will vote for him... Unreal. n/t
Response to SunsetDreams (Original post)
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 04:57 PM
tclambert (5,602 posts)
24. "Governor Romney, are you trying to hide that your plans are really fucking stupid?"
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"That was supposed to be a secret! Who blabbed? Was it Ryan? Was it that girl on my staff who said the thing about Romneycare, after I told them to never, ever mention Romneycare?"
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Response to SunsetDreams (Original post)
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 06:13 PM
quaker bill (7,150 posts)
27. The first smart thing to come from that direction
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He is correct, it is atmospherics, not policy that wins elections. People vote for someone they "like" and "trust", and this is not necessarily the guy with the better plan. This is the only explanation for Bush* getting more than 35% in 2004. The challenge for Rmoney is that he has all the personality of a dead fish a few days on.
Policy is not irrelevant as it can help set the atmosphere. Barack Obama has chosen well in this regard, so the policy differences need to be pointed out over and over. However, bottom line, it will all come down to trust and "likability". We are in good shape there. |
Response to SunsetDreams (Original post)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 12:44 AM
progress2k12nbynd (221 posts)
28. Let's be honest, the lack of details in 2008 was golden for Obama/Biden…
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Inspiration is way more effective in elections than ideas...
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Response to progress2k12nbynd (Reply #28)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 06:56 AM
quaker bill (7,150 posts)
30. Precisely
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The problem with Rmoney is that he is not particularly inspirational.
Reagan pulled it off, but he had the actor's skill of speaking like he was everyone's friend / neighbor. Bush* was consistently stupid enough on the surface that the majority through 2004 did not take him as the elitist sociopath he actually was. (someone who would joke about an execution he signed off on, go to a party while people died in NOLA, say "bring it on" to insurgents while troops were in harm's way... I am pretty sure FDR never told the Germans to "bring it") We have been dealing with the backwash of Obama's inspiration for 4 years now. Keeping real governing even close to as inspirational as his speeches has proven impossible, at least without 65+ senate seats. Even with that many seats it would have been very tough to make reality meet the visions people had. |
Response to SunsetDreams (Original post)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 07:13 AM
quaker bill (7,150 posts)
31. Watch it happen
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Last edited Sat Aug 18, 2012, 07:15 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Rmoney is already working this angle. Every time Obama goes to specifics, he will be accused of "dragging the campaign into the gutter". Rmoney wants to talk "ideas", "visions", "dreams", and "aspirations" in as abstract of terms as possible. He will call it the high road. He will wrap it in a flag and salute it.
If we let him, he will try to give us the full Ronbo Raygun. Remember the Raygun "peace shield" drawn as a crayon rainbow with a little stick figure girl picking daises under it?.... It was all rendered pretty and delivered in an "aw-shucks" manner. Fortunately from what I have seen so far, Romney is not that sort of BS artist, and has a short temper that can be engaged. If Reagan had popped off angry even once, Carter might have been re-elected, but he was given bait and never went there, it was "there you go again" (with a smile) everytime. I am not sure Romney has this level of discipline, he gets a bit twisted when in a verbal bind. We will see, but it at least is a professional plan that is a big notch above McSame. |
Response to SunsetDreams (Original post)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 07:24 AM
Vattel (3,296 posts)
32. One can only hope that the press does its job
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and make it difficult for them not to give specifics.
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