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Sat Aug 11, 2012, 03:04 PM

This is a really, deeply ugly ticket

In fact, it's the ugliest P/VP ticket of my lifetime.

We've got Weasel Romney who believes in nothing but that he somehow deserves to be the most powerful man on earth as well as one of the richest. This is truly a man with a compass that points only to him; who adopts policies only if they benefit him politically and who lies with the greatest of ease.

We've got Paul Ayn Ryan who I think really is a true believer, a zealot who adheres to a "survival of the fittest" philosophy and has no compunction about ruthlessly destroying millions of people. (not that weasel has any compunction about that either).

Neither of these men have a conscience. They both have hatred and contempt for the poor, the disabled and the working class.

I do think President Obama will likely win, but that this ticket should even be put up reflects some very scary stuff about this country.

I don't just want Obama to win, I want the hateful ideology of Ryan and the hollow man rMoney, discredited for all time.

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cali Aug 2012 OP
HopeHoops Aug 2012 #1
bonniebgood Aug 2012 #72
russspeakeasy Aug 2012 #2
Kablooie Aug 2012 #3
ellisonz Aug 2012 #4
cali Aug 2012 #5
ellisonz Aug 2012 #6
cali Aug 2012 #8
jeff47 Aug 2012 #27
bonniebgood Aug 2012 #73
ellisonz Aug 2012 #92
kardonb Aug 2012 #93
Mz Pip Aug 2012 #88
The Magistrate Aug 2012 #7
cali Aug 2012 #9
SaveAmerica Aug 2012 #97
underpants Aug 2012 #10
cali Aug 2012 #11
Horse with no Name Aug 2012 #20
cali Aug 2012 #21
unc70 Aug 2012 #59
Brickbat Aug 2012 #12
cali Aug 2012 #14
Brickbat Aug 2012 #15
CarmanK Aug 2012 #17
Marr Aug 2012 #38
emulatorloo Aug 2012 #78
Marr Aug 2012 #82
emulatorloo Aug 2012 #84
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emulatorloo Aug 2012 #87
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emulatorloo Aug 2012 #101
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emulatorloo Aug 2012 #106
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Marr Aug 2012 #104
emulatorloo Aug 2012 #105
brazil Aug 2012 #66
emulatorloo Aug 2012 #79
Brickbat Aug 2012 #83
emulatorloo Aug 2012 #85
Enrique Aug 2012 #13
CarmanK Aug 2012 #16
RKP5637 Aug 2012 #37
Avalux Aug 2012 #18
cali Aug 2012 #19
Skraxx Aug 2012 #22
cali Aug 2012 #24
The empressof all Aug 2012 #23
Blue Owl Aug 2012 #62
jeff47 Aug 2012 #25
broadcaster75201 Aug 2012 #26
RKP5637 Aug 2012 #28
DevonRex Aug 2012 #42
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Grammy23 Aug 2012 #56
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cali Aug 2012 #31
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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 03:07 PM

1. "When fascism comes to America, it will be holding a bible and draped in an American flag."

 

On Edit: I'm not a gun nut by any means, but buy ammo before the election.

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Response to HopeHoops (Reply #1)

Sun Aug 12, 2012, 10:46 AM

72. I concur, sold cell phone for a scope. nt

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 03:08 PM

2. Your last sentence expresses my feelings.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 03:16 PM

3. RMoney and RAyn. A DEram come true!

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 03:19 PM

4. I think Paul Ryan is all about...

...making these Republican white people angrier than they already were about Obama.

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #4)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 03:20 PM

5. yeah, that's a factor

ugly, ugly, ugly.

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Response to cali (Reply #5)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 03:27 PM

6. I think they're trying to distract from Romney's religion problem...

...the whole dynamic going into the Republican convention is no longer which Southern Baptist is going to talk crap about the Mormon's to why aren't you falling in line with the fascist party line. So in that way it's a win-win: angrier white people, distraction from religion landmine. The real risk is that we bludgeon them with Medicare and Social Security among seniors. I don't think they can survive if they lose 5% among seniors because of Ryan. If they want to be ugly, let them be ugly, Obama and the Democrats are beautiful.

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #6)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 03:31 PM

8. I think it's a desperation move

I suspect that he would have picked Portman or Pawlenty if he thought he was doing well.

One thing I am convinced of is that Obama's political team is hands down better than rMoney's.

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Response to cali (Reply #8)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 04:20 PM

27. I severely doubt that Romney has a political team.

Far too many massively stupid decisions coming from his campaign.

'Course, that's good for us, so...Full steam ahead Romney/Ryan! You're doing great!!

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #6)

Sun Aug 12, 2012, 10:48 AM

73. Religion is off topic this year. especially

when you have a mormon and an atheist on the top ticket.

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Response to bonniebgood (Reply #73)

Sun Aug 12, 2012, 01:21 PM

92. What are you trying to say...

...Ryan is an atheist?

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Response to cali (Reply #5)

Sun Aug 12, 2012, 01:48 PM

93. yeah

Has anyone noted how Ryan and Assad look like twins : weasly faces , no regard for common people , just power crazy and meanspirted .

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #4)

Sun Aug 12, 2012, 12:31 PM

88. Bingo

but in the process he alsowill be rallying the base of the Democratic Party and will be a wonderful GOTV face for those who have been disillusioned by some of Obama's policies.

There are people out there who may not behappy with Obama but this Ryan pick made the alternative to Obama unbearable and horrible.

I know people who still buy the idea that Mitt is really just a moderate at heart and will govern like a moderate. The Ryan pick should end that idea once and for all.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 03:29 PM

7. Bone Ugly, Ma'am: Nothing But Ugly, All The Way Down....

"Romney loves America like a tick loves a dog."

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #7)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 03:33 PM

9. Yes indeed, sir.

like a leech loves a human, like a lamprey loves a pike.

Do you think I'm right though? Has there ever been an uglier ticket?

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #7)

Sun Aug 12, 2012, 03:06 PM

97. Nothing Uglier than marrow ugly

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 03:34 PM

10. I'd say it is more cardboard than ugly

We ARE getting closer to a Ham Sandwich nomination than we thought we would be.

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Response to underpants (Reply #10)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 03:36 PM

11. No. It's as ugly as can be imagined

and as I said it reflects some very disturbing things about the nation that this ticket even exists.

it's lots of things, but I wouldn't put vapid in the top 10.

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Response to cali (Reply #11)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 04:06 PM

20. In a nutshell

I just watched two LONG TIME childhood friends part ways over just the announcement of this ticket and ONE benign comment.

I think, honestly, that THIS TICKET is Pandora's Box of ALL that is evil about the republicans....and we have only seen the surface of it.

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Response to Horse with no Name (Reply #20)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 04:08 PM

21. wow. and I agree that we've only seen the surface so far

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Response to Horse with no Name (Reply #20)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 08:16 PM

59. Your friends, we're they ...?

Right, center, ...?

Just curious. I suspect that R/R will be explosive to some on the various parts of the right.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 03:37 PM

12. The way I see it, the people who made this ticket happen don't really give a shit if Obama wins or

not. They'll get rich either way. They'll either get super rich, under Obama, or they'll get universally rich, under Romney. They're at the point where they don't even bother hiding anymore, because they found that running on cray-cray for local legislatures, governors, and then federal positions actually worked in some areas, and pulled the attitude of the country toward the right in ways that make it easier for them to become universally rich. They can throw whatever shit at the wall they want, because at the end of the day, some of it sticks. If this one doesn't, they continue to get super rich the way they have for decades, and it positions Ryan to run in 2016/20, at which point they can get universally rich.

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Response to Brickbat (Reply #12)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 03:41 PM

14. I think that's a rather narrow view of it

and what the heck is "cray-cray"?

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Response to cali (Reply #14)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 03:47 PM

15. I've just figured that the easiest way to explain these bizarre tickets (Bush/Cheney, McCain/Palin,

and now R/R) is that it truly doesn't matter to TPTB who wins or loses.

And it's Internet for "batshit crazy, in a precious way."

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Response to Brickbat (Reply #12)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 03:54 PM

17. Quite contrary, they think $$ spread in CORPORATE media with make this SOW's ear into a silk purse.

I sure hope the AARP and the seniors in FL are paying attention. Because they have no excuse for letting these characters drive this TRAIN WRECK to CORPORATE HELL taking the nation down with them.

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Response to Brickbat (Reply #12)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 04:43 PM

38. I think the people who made this ticket happen are hedging their bets, and sure to win either way.

If Romney/Ryan wins, the 1%'ers get everything they want, right out in the open. Full steam ahead, 8 o'clock, Day One.

If the very corporate Obama wins, he has a wonderful foil to play against as he's selling his "Grand Bargain", which is basically everything the 1% wants, watered down a tiny bit.

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Response to Marr (Reply #38)

Sun Aug 12, 2012, 11:30 AM

78. So that's the new DU Meme? "Obama is just the same as Ryan"

I think you lack perspective.

Or else maybe you are a Rince Preibus fan?

Priebus: Obama Is ‘Stealing’ From Seniors And Has ‘Blood On His Hands’
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021116751

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #78)

Sun Aug 12, 2012, 12:06 PM

82. How about this-- you express your own thoughts, and I'll express mine.

I don't really need you to restate everything in the form of a strawman, but thanks.

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Response to Marr (Reply #82)

Sun Aug 12, 2012, 12:12 PM

84. How about this. You take responsibility for your own words

My paraphrase was accurate. You are promoting the view that Obama/Biden and Romney/Ryan are the same.



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I think the people who made this ticket happen are hedging their bets, and sure to win either way.

If Romney/Ryan wins, the 1%'ers get everything they want, right out in the open. Full steam ahead, 8 o'clock, Day One.

If the very corporate Obama wins, he has a wonderful foil to play against as he's selling his "Grand Bargain", which is basically everything the 1% wants, watered down a tiny bit.

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You said it, now own it.






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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #84)

Sun Aug 12, 2012, 12:25 PM

86. I never denied it. I said it because I meant it.

What I did NOT say was the grade school summary you posted. It is my belief that, after the election, Obama will push for economic policies that move in the same direction as those openly advocated by the right, by which I mean cuts to Medicare and/or Social Security. You disagree with that, I assume.

So look, there's no point in arguing here. Obama is almost assured victory this year. If his Administration isn't pushing for a new "Grand Bargain" that incorporates the cuts I mentioned in the first half of his second term, I'll admit to be overly cynical. If he does, perhaps you will admit to being naive.

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Response to Marr (Reply #86)

Sun Aug 12, 2012, 12:30 PM

87. "grade school summary"? I just cut to the heart of the matter.

I have a plan, Marr - I'm gonna GOTV to see how many liberal dems I can get elected to the House.

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #87)

Sun Aug 12, 2012, 02:54 PM

96. I take it you're not willing to bet against that "Grand Bargain" thing I mentioned. /nt

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Response to Marr (Reply #96)

Sun Aug 12, 2012, 03:59 PM

101. quite a fantastical leap you have made.

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #101)

Sun Aug 12, 2012, 04:42 PM

103. Another non-answer.

Do you think the Obama Administration will sign onto Medicare and/or Social Security cuts under the guise of a "Grand Bargain" or not?

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Response to Marr (Reply #103)

Mon Aug 13, 2012, 03:18 PM

106. No.

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #106)

Mon Aug 13, 2012, 03:32 PM

108. Thank you.

I suppose we'll see who's off the mark in time.

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #101)

Mon Aug 13, 2012, 03:12 PM

104. *crickets*

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Response to Marr (Reply #104)

Mon Aug 13, 2012, 03:18 PM

105. Hold your horses, I have things I have to do in the real world.

Are you auditioning for the role of DU's most snarky progressive? I think a few already have that a lock on that.

Here's what I think about the "grand bargain".

I think it was mostly a bluff to paint Boehner into a corner during the deficit debate.

Especially over the revenue/tax rate on the wealthy.

And it worked - for those paying attention it proved the Boehner WAS NOT INTERESTED IN DEFICIT REDUCTION.

So I am not worried about it. Especially if I get off my fat ass and work to get the House back in Democratic hands.

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Response to Brickbat (Reply #12)

Sun Aug 12, 2012, 05:10 AM

66. It's an experiment

When they throw this particular shit at the wall, will it stick? Or rather, how well will it stick? How much will stick? Some of it will, and that's valuable information for Rove et al to have, to see how far they can push the envelope, even if they don't win this time around. They've pushed it very aggressively so far and they've done amazingly well with that strategy, I bet they're even surprised themselves at how well it's worked (and keeps on working.) So they push harder the next time.

One difference this time is that the Obama team is prepared and willing to get down and dirty too. Going on the offense instead of just defending when the Repubs attack. I was pretty impressed with today's quick response.

The R team might be thinking they can change course if Romney sinks like a stone in the polling, that they can manufacture some excuse or scandal if they need to pull Ryan out. However, by announcing Ryan they've given away their evil plan, the same one that Romney has been so careful up to this point not to disclose the details of (consciously, at least - he oozes it at a subconscious level.)

That whole entitled rich kid, I'm-better-than-you-common-people meme that Romney's been trying so hard to shake - it's carved in stone now. (All the Rs don't help. Rotten by association. Richie Rich, Romney/Ryan, Rolls Royce, Rand, Republican, Reagan...) There's no resetting the Etch-A-Sketch now, not this close to the election. But yeah, the plutocracy wins either way, it's just a matter of how much of their wish list they're gonna get this round. I'd love to see us push back the other way, though. Like the French are with their proposed 75% tax rate for the top income bracket.

In any rational country Romney wouldn't poll above the teens on his best day. Add Ryan and that number should drop to the single digits. But America has more than its fair share of extremists and crazies...

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Response to Brickbat (Reply #12)

Sun Aug 12, 2012, 11:34 AM

79. I think you need to look at how Republicans rule the red states.

Maybe that will help you get some perspective on the difference between Republican and Democrats.

Start with these two words "Vaginal Probe"

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #79)

Sun Aug 12, 2012, 12:09 PM

83. I'm not saying there's no difference.

I'm saying that the real powerbrokers, the 1%, don't need a difference. Things like vaginal probes just distract us from the reality that the 1% makes money no matter what.

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Response to Brickbat (Reply #83)

Sun Aug 12, 2012, 12:14 PM

85. Vaginal probe was the most visceral of examples.

Take a look at how Republicans have block any attempt at jobs bills, financial regulation.

Note how much Money Kocks, Rove Donors etc are spending to lie about Democrats so they can finally get total control

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 03:39 PM

13. and add Ryans abortion extremism on top of that n/t

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 03:50 PM

16. ROMNEY HOOD riding on Paul RYAN EXPRESS to Corporate Hell. Misery loves company and they want all US

How could the republicans come to hate themselves and the country so much that they would put this political ticket together and be willing to finance it? It is mind boggling to me. this is worse than McCain and Palin. At least John McCain had done some good in the US SENATE and seemed to have a conscience. But Romney is a HOLLOW MAN who has chosen the cruel sheriff of Nottingham as his soul mate. SCARY ain't it?

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Response to CarmanK (Reply #16)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 04:38 PM

37. Yep, it is far worse than McCain and Palin. I agree, McCain had some

creditability and had done some good, although we did not agree with him on all things, I think he does have a conscience and in his way wanted to better America.

The Romney/Ryan ticket IMO is damn scary and if successful would certainly move forward on ending America as most of us have known it ... IMO a Romney/Ryan administration would simply callously discard most Americans as expendable.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 04:00 PM

18. Not just ugly, evil too.

What they plan to do will destroy this country and if they somehow manage to pull off a 'win', we're fucked and everything we know will be gone.

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Response to Avalux (Reply #18)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 04:02 PM

19. I don't use that word- though here it's tempting

they need to be crushed and their governing "philosophy" needs to ground to dust.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 04:11 PM

22. Not Just Ugly, But Also Downright Insulting To Intelligence

It's an outright, brazen insult. The way the campaign is being run on the most outrageous, obvious lies, the complete disregard for even a semblance of a fig leaf of integrity for anything they do. it's an outrageous insult and degradation. They must be more than defeated. They must be made a lesson of. They must be shamed and humiliated.

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Response to Skraxx (Reply #22)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 04:13 PM

24. well said!

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 04:11 PM

23. I like Wisconsin Cheese....

I just don't care for it's Dairy Air.....

He's just another Gas Bag wanting to spread his stink around. I'm not so sure he's a true believer at all...Just another Republican Opportunist with a good Carny barker call. The fact that so many folks buy his shit is what's scary.

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Response to The empressof all (Reply #23)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 10:24 PM

62. Except for Meunster cheese of course

n/t

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 04:17 PM

25. Btw, when talking to conservatives, point out how this is all the fault of the SCOTUS

The Citizens United decision got Romney the nomination. Absent Citizens United, the Republicans would probably have put forth someone much more palatable to the base.

Instead, Romney's carpet-bombing of ads bought him the nomination. And he could only do that because of Citizens United.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 04:18 PM

26. I knew it was bad when

I knew it was bad when I realized I missed Nixon.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 04:26 PM

28. With a Romney/Ryan ticket it says a lot about America, and it is not good, and it is scary. I really

do fear for the future of America, and what I fear most is a lot of people will vote for Romney/Ryan with few brains attached except for those on the take and intent on steamrolling over most Americans for profit.

We have become an egregious capitalistic system, the worst of capitalism and the Romney/Ryan ticket substantiates that fact IMO.

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #28)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 04:59 PM

42. It's worse than that. From personal family

and experience from the small southern town i grew up in I can tell you this.

They are not stupid. They are well educated. They aren't wealthy for the most part though some have a lot of land. Plain and simple, they hate that a black man is President. They would have disliked any Democrat, sure. But they hate this black man with spittle flying out of their mouths when they speak of him. They are willing to be deliberately ignorant of any truth about him in order to believe every falsehood ever told about him.

They are willing to be deliberately ignorant about any deficits in any republican plan on any issue, as long as that plan is opposed to anything Obama is for. They are willing to close their eyes and ears to everything harmful that the GOP has proposed in order to oust Obama, including to American workers, their own parents and children.

That is the reality we are in. They are not stupid by a long shot. They are simply so filled with hate that nothing else matters anymore. I'm speaking of my own sisters and my oldest friends. I see them for what they are.

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Response to DevonRex (Reply #42)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 05:24 PM

47. Thanks for your summary. That, makes it even more frightening, intelligent people

willing to devastate themselves, their future and that of their family/friends, anyone, to oust Obama. For several decades I had thought this country had moved beyond racism, but the past several years have proved far different.

What I always find amazing is many people don't seem to realize the repercussions of their vote and their future in this country. Too many take everything for granted often not seemingly realizing they will be affected too even perhaps in ways they do not foresee.



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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #47)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 06:27 PM

57. Some even admit to racism again and

very handily blame it on Obama. So it's not their fault, you see. Obama made them do it.

That was said to me by a loved one.

For a while I was devastated. No longer. The gloves are off. DU is helping me immensely. I post articles I find here on FB so that family and friends can read the facts if they want to. I also post about helping the poor and sick and elderly from various religious perspectives, like what the Catholic nuns and bishops said about the Paul Ryan budget. And what Jesus said.

I have no mercy.

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Response to DevonRex (Reply #42)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 06:17 PM

56. I hear you and agree up to a point

But I also think that some of them are not well educated, but rather well "indoctrinated" with views that encourage them to think of themselves as being victimized by Obama and his administration. They really do believe a lot of the crap that is put out there by the flakes....the Birther crap, he's a socialist, born in Kenya, etc. They hate Obama with a hatred that is quite visceral and they are vocal about it. I also have relatives that fall in this category so I have personal experience with people who think this way.

One area where I see potential problems getting through to these people is that they are being reinforced with their mean spirited, hateful attitudes toward the poor and needy through their churches. I have seen that in my daughter-in-law and son. They very much resent help from the government for those that they do not believe "deserve" it. Never mind that they got help from us when they were younger and struggling and without our help would have been forced to rely on Food Stamps and other assistance from time to time. They are no longer in that position but have a pretty stingy attitude to those in need. My DIL quotes the Bible and tells me that the church is supposed to take care of the needy and she even agrees with me that the churches are not doing enough. I told her it is a simple problem of math....there is too much need for the religious institutions to handle the problem without any government help. I still stand by my assertion that they have missed the essential teachings of their Savior to Love thy neighbor as thyself. Do Unto Others as You'd Have Done Unto you. Take care of the sick, the hungry and the needy. Missed that completely. It has been perverted and twisted like so many other things that come from the Bible. One day my DIL actually put on FB, "He who is able and does not work, shall not eat." A quote from the Bible.

One other observation.....listening to Romney after he spoke today. He implied that they are going to run a clean campaign and won't be resorting to "dirty tactics". I think he is going to use this to try to club Obama when they return to the issue of Romney's tax issues and other things he refuses to talk about. They are going to categorize that as dirty politics and try to make people think bad about Obama/Biden for bringing it up. Maybe it won't work since so many people REALLY DO want to know about his tax records, his Bain record and his humongous IRA. Now they also have all of Ryan's baggage to explain, too. Good luck with that avoidance scheme you got going there, Sparky.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 04:30 PM

29. Bush/Cheney were worse.

First, they cheated their way into two terms. Then, they lied us into two wars, both of which resulted in the the deaths or maiming of tens of thousands of people, and wasted trillions of dollars that could have been spent improving this country. And, they have no remorse about it, whatsoever. They partied while New Orleans drowned. They still don't care about the millions of Americans whose lives they helped destroy along with our economy. And, that's just the tip of the iceberg. Ryan may have no compunction about destroying millions of people, but these two vile, sorry excuses for human beings already have done that.

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Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #29)

Sun Aug 12, 2012, 03:51 AM

64. no. they weren't.

not at this point in 2000. And sorry, but bushco actually won in 2004.

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Response to cali (Reply #64)

Sun Aug 12, 2012, 09:10 AM

68. Yes, they were.

They were the same people in 2000 as they were throughout, and as they are now. They had their agenda in place, but hid it from everyone. They played the affable nice guys, while fully intending to fuck everyone over with their wars and economic agenda. That makes them worse in my book. Those of us who have been paying attention all these decades knew what was coming.

And, no, they did not win 2004, either. Just ask the people of Ohio, thousands of whom had their votes flipped in those black box voting machines--if they were even allowed to cast their vote in the first place.

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2005/08/0080696

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0601-34.htm

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Response to cali (Reply #64)

Mon Aug 13, 2012, 03:31 PM

107. I am not so sure that Bushco actually won in 2004. I thought that

there was some funny stuff going on in the Ohio vote.

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Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #29)

Mon Aug 13, 2012, 03:59 PM

109. Let's not argue over pigs. n/t

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 04:33 PM

30. Obama has to get both the senate and house

on his side. Lots of work for Americans..

AND you have to watch those voting machines.....

Make sure people have their voting IDs.

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Response to riverbendviewgal (Reply #30)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 04:35 PM

31. I don't think taking back the house is within the realm of possibility

I just hope we hang on to the Senate and decrease the majority in the House.

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Response to riverbendviewgal (Reply #30)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 04:37 PM

36. They need to start a 50 state strategy today!

nt

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Response to ananda (Reply #36)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 06:47 PM

58. We should have started that at least 10 years ago!

 

The Republicans did that 30 some ago and look where they are at today.
They started running for dog catcher, school board and other elected office that would look good on a political resume. Now they are running for the presidency... again!

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 04:35 PM

32. Herman and Eddy Munster

I could swear that I saw bolts on Mitt's neck.

Is this a move to ensure their base turns out to vote ? Do they fear apathy among the ranks ?
I have faith that Joe Biden will make Ryan look like the clueless dickhead he really is.

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Response to King_Klonopin (Reply #32)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 04:36 PM

35. I guess it's to excite the base

I don't see that he brings in indies.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 04:35 PM

33. Obama needs to make bold, positive statements about Social Security and

Medicare. He needs to explain that Social Security is, already, through our tax system, means tested. Seniors pay taxes on their income just like everyone else, and rich people pay taxes on most of the Social Security they receive if they even receive much.

He also needs to point out that if Medicare did not exist, we would probably have to invent it since medical costs are soaring as are available treatments for the ailments of older people. Our Judeo-Christian traditions do not permit us to sentence people, even older people, to death for lack of healthcare.

Obama should pull the Christian card -- point out that Jesus healed the sick.

How can a supposedly good Catholic (who has only three children himself by the way) fail to support a strong Medicare program for suffering seniors?

I hope that Obama turns the religion card back on the Republicans. It's about time to do that.

Obama should invite prominent religious leaders with social consciences, liberal and conservative, to the White House and make the point about the priority of loving our neighbors and caring for the less fortunate.

Because that point about loving our neighbors and caring for the less fortunate who may live far from us is what makes a person a Christian -- not self-serving claims about belief or faith. I hope Obama talks about this. And that he puts the need for Social Security and Medicare into a religious context.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 04:36 PM

34. "that this ticket should even be put up reflects some very scary stuff about this country"

Ain't that the truth.

That this monstrocity is even under is even a is even a binary choice for leading the USA is appalling in every way.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 04:45 PM

39. I'm disgusted that even 40% of americans would vote for such craven candidates

Dafuq is wrong with this country?!, these two are practically the poster boys of everything wrong with this country's politics

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 04:52 PM

40. they are going for broke now

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 04:59 PM

41. So was McCain/Palin

Although McCain wasn't even close to as offensive as Romney.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 05:03 PM

43. From what I have seen posted here about Romney and Ryan

If some how they come to power, there will be no future for the United States. It will end with the tiny whimper of some poor sap, being sucked down into the bowls of the earth, as the rest of the world, tries to stop the evil from spreading, and Romney, Ryan and rich friends will be happily dining off the ashes.

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Response to AsahinaKimi (Reply #43)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 05:36 PM

50. I could almost see a world reaction to stop them, because I think they

would see running earth as their directive, and a notion of global manifest destiny would run wild under their direction. We saw some of that with Bush/Cheney. I think with Romney/Ryan it could be far worse.

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #50)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 06:12 PM

54. I agree completely,RPK. Romney/Ryan will do globally what

their like-minded ancestors did to mine in 18th &19th century America with the whole God's Will Manifest Destiny crap that nearly destroyed my people. Don't think they won't. I am terrified.

Diane
Anishinaabe in MI

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Response to AsahinaKimi (Reply #43)

Sun Aug 12, 2012, 03:16 PM

99. +10,000

It would be nothing less than a complete global disaster. It just can''t happen.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 05:08 PM

44. Yes it is. I agree.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 05:17 PM

45. Almost* classic battle between tradition and progress, IMO.


Sadly, the almost* refers to post 42 above; absolute resistance to the cultural change that Obama represents.

Ugly, ugly, ugly.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 05:17 PM

46. A serial outsourcer and a crazy lunatic who's out to destroy millions.

Based on failed idealogies and policies that favor corporations and the über rich over people. Fuck them and their billionaire criminal scumbag backers.

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Response to Initech (Reply #46)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 05:30 PM

48. Not to mention Ryan's family made

... Their fortune with alot of good ole socialist gibmint assistance ... but I'm sure he'll be the last one to admit it ...

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 05:35 PM

49. "I do think President Obama will likely win"

I certainly hope you are correct. And I agree, all things being equal,
that R&R wouldn't have a prayer of even coming close to winning in
Nov.

However, all things are NOT equal. Far from it. There are THREE
ways this is true:

1) This massive nasty voter suppression that's happening in swing states,
that Holder is being timid at best about fighting it; being too busy making life hell
for Medical Marijuana patients and growers.

(2) The fact that we never have fixed the e-voting mess with secret
privately owned source codes to flip votes on touch-screen voting machines.

3) Citizen$ United $$$$$$$$$ run amuck flooding airwaves with poisonous
hateful ads.

When you add all these up, esp. keeping in mind how Bush got "elected"
two times over under highly suspicious conditions -- then I'm not so sure.

I am sure to work for and vote for Obama though.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #49)

Sun Aug 12, 2012, 02:31 PM

94. You have it right....

I have this nightmare of a " shocking upset ", Followed by a "W. Bush"-style media clamp-down.

Sooner or later the internet will be heavily censored in response to "Terrorist threats " ( i.e. freedom of speech ).

After the standard of living of the 99% has been reduced to the point that we no longer have the time to think about anything but making ends meet, The 1% will no longer need to spend all that money to buy elections...

But then I wake up and have hope that my fears are unjustified.

This election will be the one that makes or breaks my faith...

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Response to dtom67 (Reply #94)

Sun Aug 12, 2012, 03:23 PM

100. I know what you mean

As for me having "it right..." I've never hoped so much as now
that I have it totally wrong; and that Obama will be re-elected,
as people mobilize to overcome these ridiculous barriers to
Democratic-leaning voters even voting in the first place, and
then even if they DO get to "vote", it gets lost somewhere in
the bowels of Diebold and "counted" in ways not trace-able,
even by Government Elections Officials.

I think Obama actually won by a huger margin, that he was still
able to overwhelm the e-voting buggery, as they can only fudge the
number so much, without it becoming too obvious. But now
we must overcome Voter ID obstacles and Citizens United,
so I'm very concerned.

All the more reason to get off my ass and do some campaigning
this year. cheers, ~john

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 05:40 PM

51. Ugly ticket? Yes. Good ticket? Yes for the Democrats.

The fact that these two people made it to the top of the ticket in a General Election does point that there is something rotten in these United States.

However Obama and Biden are decent, sensible, moderate individuals. The Romney/Ryan ticket may be great for the Democrats in the short term, but sadly this ticket just moves America further to the right. This ticket makes Ronald Reagan look like a left wing Republican, and it makes Eisenhower look like an extreme Liberal.

I need America to prove me wrong. I need America to show that it has a conscience, and doesn't vote for a particular person just because they belong to "their party". Ideally I'd like a Mondale-style defeat of Romney - actually I'd like Romney to get less than 13 Electoral College votes. I somehow think it isn't going to happen but with Paul Ryan on board that other bus ... Democrats can turn the heat up on the simple fact: Romney & Ryans' plan removes the Social Safety Net and increases taxes on those who can ill afford it.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 05:56 PM

52. I agree elections like this set a moral tone. A Romney/Ryan win would be a step into the darkness

Reagan's election set America and the world back a generation. But even Reagan disguised the agenda with softer language and an image of a caring old grandpa type. A win for Ryan/Romney is a victory for those all those who believe that our world only has room for winners - their kind of people. It could happen. Anything less than an indisputable defeat for this ticket of turpitude and depravity would be a step into the darkness.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 05:57 PM

53. That's my feeling, too. A couple of Hitlers who will do anything it takes to mow down America. nt

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 06:16 PM

55. Ugly & desparate. This is why there has to be optimum Dem voter participation.

I wish our M$M would shine a brighter spotlight on the states that are enforcing these unfair voter restrictions. For some reason, I don't think they've expressed the urgency this issue deserves.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 08:29 PM

60. so true !

 

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Aug 11, 2012, 10:23 PM

61. Fuggly indeed.

n/t

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Aug 12, 2012, 03:48 AM

63. Ryan is the more dangerous of the two-- 19th century here we come....

He really would try to bring the US back to the 19th century by ending government as we know it-- no safety net, no medicare (surprising that he even supports vouchers), no regulations. A return to the era of the Robber Barons and "The Jungle" awaits.

Romney as you say is just interested in being President-- he will say anything, promise any policy which he thinks will get him there.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Aug 12, 2012, 04:16 AM

65. Anyone who thinks a business man

would make a good president needs their fucking head examined!

Whats the purpose of a corporation?

Answer: To make the people at the top a lot of money from the labor and expense of everyone else!

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Aug 12, 2012, 05:27 AM

67. Agree x a lot.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Aug 12, 2012, 09:23 AM

69. Suddenly, Palin doesn't look so bad

Never thought I had to say that...

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Aug 12, 2012, 10:18 AM

70. Is there realy any difference between an conquering ruler

who believes in engineering the deaths of millions via neglect and one who actively sends mercenaries out to lop off the heads of those who don't follow him loyally?

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Response to BanzaiBonnie (Reply #70)

Sun Aug 12, 2012, 10:53 AM

74. that can be debated but what can't be debated is the

misery Ryan/Romney would inflict.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Aug 12, 2012, 10:18 AM

71. Just when you think CHENEY was the nadir,.......

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Aug 12, 2012, 11:00 AM

75. they are a repulsive scary ticket

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Aug 12, 2012, 11:04 AM

76. One thing is crystal clear

"I don't just want Obama to win, I want the hateful ideology of Ryan and the hollow man rMoney, discredited for all time."

This is all up to us. Educate, Educate, Educate.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Aug 12, 2012, 11:25 AM

77. Worse than Bush/Cheney?

Or does it at least tie that one?
John Lucas

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Response to johnlucas (Reply #77)

Sun Aug 12, 2012, 11:35 AM

80. More upfront about it than Bush/Cheney. And Bush seems honest compared to Romney.

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #80)

Sun Aug 12, 2012, 01:16 PM

90. Yeah

with Ryan on the ticket, all the cards on the table.

if it were Romney, it would be what it has been until now - America is great and Obama sucks.

And, absolutely, Bush is honest compared to Romney.

Bush was able to simply not say things, but convey his allowance for things to the "base."

They LOVED HIM, and he did not have to spew the insane crape that all of there morons do now.

Romney will, literally, say ANYTHING to win.

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Response to johnlucas (Reply #77)

Sun Aug 12, 2012, 11:51 AM

81. Bush was an apathetic drunk

who could care less what evil Cheney concocted behind the scenes.

With this pair, Romney will shake you down and Ryan will pick the gold out of your teeth.

They scare me shitless.

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Response to Horse with no Name (Reply #81)

Sun Aug 12, 2012, 01:17 PM

91. that is about as an accurate

statement of Bush/Cheney as you can get ...

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Aug 12, 2012, 01:07 PM

89. Really,Really Ugly Ticket

 

Got to agree 100 %.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Aug 12, 2012, 02:37 PM

95. Republican party last gasp

It is the Democrats dream ticket

Ryan the spokeman for getting rid of Medicare and Government workers and Post Office and Social security
War mongers ticket Bankster lovers


Ya gotta love it

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Aug 12, 2012, 03:15 PM

98. Yes it is. I just hope the evangelicals realize how cruel Paul Ryan really is and plans to be. /nt

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Aug 12, 2012, 04:15 PM

102. They need to go down hard...

I think they should get less than 40% of the popular vote. But, they will probably get around 45%, that is just the reality of them having a lock on 28% of their bat shit crazy base plus right leaning independents and apolitical Rush bots that just love to hate. I don't want them to just lose, I want them to lose in a way that people realize the GOP is toxic now.

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