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Mon Aug 6, 2012, 12:06 PM

Wisconsin Sikh Temple’s Shooter Was Long Known As White Supremacist

http://colorlines.com/archives/2012/08/wisconsin_sikh_temples_shooter_was_long_known_as_white_supremacist.html

Sickening.



The details coming out in the aftermath of the Sunday’s tragic shooting at a Sikh gurdwara in Oak Creek, Wisconsin are just as grim and terrifying as folks expected. Wade Michael Page, the identified shooter, was not just a 40-year-old military veteran before he shot and killed six people gathered at a Wisconsin temple. He was also being tracked by the Southern Poverty Law Center, who’d long ago identified him as a member of white supremacist circles, including as a band leader of a group called End Apathy.

Page gave an interview to a white supremacist website in 2010, and told them he’d been part of the white power music scene since 2000, until he formed his band in 2005 with the goal of ending his own and others’ apathy. Prior to his white supremacist ties, Page was an enlisted Army man who joined the military in 1992 and was discharged in 1998, the Christian Science Monitor reported.

But on Sunday, Page turned his gun on American Sikhs who were gathering for Sunday services. He killed six people before a police officer shot and killed Page.

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Reply Wisconsin Sikh Temple’s Shooter Was Long Known As White Supremacist (Original post)
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baldguy Aug 2012 #55
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Response to Starry Messenger (Original post)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 12:09 PM

1. A link about his music group affiliations:

 

http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/08/06/bulletin-alleged-sikh-temple-shooter-member-of-neo-nazi-group/

The man who allegedly murdered six people at a Sikh temple in suburban Milwaukee yesterday, identified in media reports as Wade Michael Page, was a frustrated neo-Nazi who had been the leader of a racist white-power band.

In 2010, Page, then the leader of the band End Apathy, gave an interview to the white supremacist website Label 56. He said that when he started the band in 2005, its name reflected his wish to “figure out how to end people’s apathetic ways” and start “moving forward.” “I was willing to point out some of my faults on how I was holding myself back,” Page said. Later, he added, “The inspiration was based on frustration that we have the potential to accomplish so much more as individuals and a society in whole.” He did not discuss violence in the interview.

Page told the website that he had been a part of the white power music scene since 2000, when he left his native Colorado on a motorcycle. He attended white power concerts in Georgia, North Carolina, West Virginia and Colorado. At various times, he said, he also played in the hate rock bands Youngland (2001-2003), Celtic Warrior, Radikahl, Max Resist, Intimidation One, Aggressive Force and Blue Eyed Devils. End Apathy, he said, included “Brent” on bass and “Ozzie” on drums; the men were former members of Definite Hate and another band, 13 Knots.

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #1)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 12:17 PM

7. I see these lowlifes trolling on youtube all the time.

I wish Youtube would be more active in not hosting their shit over there.

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #1)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 12:25 PM

8. Following the links from SPLC, I found this tidbit:

Former Klan Activist John Abarr Running For Montana's Lone U.S. House Seat As A Republican; Once Worked With Current A3P Chairman Bill Johnson

Here's some good news that was enough to cause me to break my three-week moratorium on posting. John Abarr (R-Great Falls), identified as a former Klan organizer, has declared his intent to run for Montana's lone U.S. House seat -- as a Republican. The most detailed story has been published in the Washington Post; Montana media outlets such as the Bozeman Daily Chronicle and the Helena Independent-Record merely regurgitated an abbreviated AP story with no analysis.

John Abarr has an extensive record of grass-roots political activism, summarized later in this post. Despite severing ties with the Klan in 1997, he maintains a pro-White racial attitude, saying that the election of Barack Obama prompted him to get back into politics. “I think that the fact Obama got elected shows that the white people are starting to lose their political power,” said Abarr, who last week filed the paperwork to let him start raising money. “I am running to draw attention to the fact that white people are becoming a minority and losing our political power and way of life.” Abarr wants a flat income tax and said he chose to run as a Republican because of the party’s fiscal policies.

On the other hand, Abarr's platform contains some planks that might drive some Republicans towards presumptive primary opponent Steve Daines, a Bozeman businessman. Abarr wants to legalize marijuana, increase mental health programs, keep abortion legal, and abolish the death penalty because he argues it is unfair to poor people. He has no official campaign website yet. Because of Abarr's pro-White stance, some leading RINOs are already running for cover, including former Congressman Rick Hill, who denounced Abarr as a "racist" and opined that Republicans were founded on freedom, liberty and equal opportunity. Hill is considered a front-runner for Governor in 2012.


http://whitereference.blogspot.com/2011/06/former-klan-activist-john-abarr-running.html

Ain't that special. This is the same state with the Constitution Party (who want to end women's right to vote, etc.) and who had an outhouse mocking Obama at the Republican conventions. We see their true colors shining through. Although the GOP probably objects to this guy's views on women and social services and not his racist view. Destroying mental health services is a GOP standard, after all, if you don't think right (the saying at one time was 'white is right') and the GOP can't heal anyone's wounded hearts or souls without their special brand of right wing religion.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #8)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 12:58 PM

21. Oh, goodie

 

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #1)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 01:27 PM

32. Wow - sounds like a real winner there.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Original post)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 12:10 PM

2. There were other shooters with him, weren't there? One is in the hospital, right?

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Response to freshwest (Reply #2)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 12:12 PM

4. Wrong. He was the only shooter.

The others in the hospital are members of the temple and one police officer.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #2)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 12:13 PM

5. I'm not sure.

I just started checking twitter and this was one of the first stories I saw.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #5)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 12:57 PM

19. Great twitter feed you have there. From the youtube comments on the video I posted to levymg below:

One CT post... or anti-CT post...

LOL still think guys wearing turbins in some cave in afganistan did 9/11 huh LOL maybe it was santa or the easter bunny or blood sucking shape shifting reptilian lizard people

DEF90JAM in reply to jake kate

As bad as the guy in FL comment:


It's just brown people, so it's inconsequential. Brown peoples were created so that Whites can use them for target practice. Moving targets are best for training.

ThePayola123

Thank you, hate radio and internet:


if the coons of the dune stayed in the desert in the first place then this wouldnt have happened.

sheamus316 5 hours ago

Angry response. The Nazis love this, they've been wanting a 'race war' forever:


COME ! TRY TO KILL ME I WILL DELETE YOU WHOLE GENERATION - YOU FUCKING ALABAMA INCEST VICTIM

tajbir1 in reply to jake kate

Finally, an intelligent and informative comment:

The word “Sikh” is derived from the Sanskrit language. Simple meaning of the word “Sikh” is disciple a student, a Sikh is a disciple of the Guru.The foundation of Sikhism has been done 500 yrs ago in Punjab, India. Guru Nanak Dev Ji, the first Guru of Sikh is the founder of Sikh religion.As per the “Rehat Maryada”, a Sikh is a person who truly believes in 1 Immortal Being.Sikhs believe in equality of people despite of their caste and religion, worldwide brotherhood and 1 Ultimate God .

PDorPID

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Response to freshwest (Reply #19)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 01:05 PM

25. YouTube needs to pour some disinfectant on their comment function, seriously.

I've never been able to figure out how to flag that shit for hate. It just sits there and they all egg each other on. It's like a digital fascist rally.

(I'm a twitter addict, so much information.)

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #25)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 06:09 PM

38. I don't even read YouTube comments anymore

They're about the worst of any intertubes site.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #38)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 06:14 PM

42. I really try not to!

It's just amazing how many horrible people there are in the world.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #38)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 06:35 PM

49. They vote, though.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #49)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 07:42 PM

57. Maybe.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #2)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 12:13 PM

6. I have to wonder why this detail is so foggy. wtf?

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Response to leveymg (Reply #6)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 12:41 PM

17. From this video post, they didn't rule out there being more than one, but now they're looking for

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Response to freshwest (Reply #17)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 06:10 PM

40. One of the witnesses yesterday said there were 4 shooters

All white males.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #40)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 06:29 PM

45. Well, that's what I heard, but VO says not upthread. Guess it'll be a while before we know.

I have to bow to others' information as DU is my primary news source, as I dod not watch TV or listen to the radio. It's all online for me.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #40)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 07:10 PM

54. In this video, a man says 4 shooters at the beginning. But maybe not:



Who is correct?

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Response to freshwest (Reply #54)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 07:39 PM

56. Yes that's the video I saw.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Original post)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 12:11 PM

3. Dog bless his piece of shit soul

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Response to Starry Messenger (Original post)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 12:26 PM

9. Looked up the SPLC map identifying hate groups nationwide and ugh

There are many, too many and why we don't treat them as a bonfide threat to peaceful society, heaven knows.

My old home state of NJ is absolutely infested for such a tiny piece of real estate. Good God!

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Response to nc4bo (Reply #9)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 12:32 PM

12. I really don't know nc4bo.

People say this is the part of free speech in a democratic society. I'm never quite persuaded, especially when these hateful, deadly attacks come out of simmering organized racist organizations.

CA, where I live, has the most hate groups in the US. Infested is the word.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Original post)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 12:30 PM

10. I wonder how many of these White supremacist go into the military?

The reason I say this is because, I can't imagine these hate groups being able to function in the military and would be removed.

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Response to midnight (Reply #10)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 02:21 PM

33. It seems many are

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2008/winter/killing-a-brown
Evidence Shows Racist Skinheads Enlisting in Military
New Evidence of Extremists in the Military

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A new FBI report confirms that white supremacists are infiltrating the military for several reasons. According to the unclassified FBI Intelligence Assessment, "White Supremacist Recruitment of Military Personnel Since 9/11," which was released to law enforcement agencies nationwide: "Sensitive and reliable source reporting indicates supremacist leaders are encouraging followers who lack documented histories of neo-Nazi activity and overt racist insignia such as tattoos to infiltrate the military as 'ghost skins,' in order to recruit and receive training for the benefit of the extremist movement."

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Response to Mojorabbit (Reply #33)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 06:10 PM

39. Interesting... Thanks for sharing...

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Response to Starry Messenger (Original post)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 12:30 PM

11. K, why is this NOT a hate crime now?! Why is this NOT an act of terrorism? He was in a hate band...

...wtf....that's like music for hate of others.

NPR this morning said FBI walked back terrorism designation

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #11)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 12:35 PM

13. They walked it back?

Ugh, wtf??

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #11)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 12:39 PM

16. They didn't? WTH

Why are we so afraid to call it like it is if the act occurs on U.S. soil?

There are people who were terrorized and will continue to feel terrorized because they do not fit the model of the ideal American in some people's eyes.

Afraid of the NRA. Afraid of calling hate groups, hate radio, hate tv, hate politics, that directly or indirectly causes violence to citizens is domestic terrorism.

Sorry something's really very wrong.

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Response to nc4bo (Reply #16)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 01:13 PM

26. After 911, all the history books should have had addendums, such as this:

The KKK was domestic terrorist group that focused on voter suppression, theft of property owned by American blacks and participated in and covered up the murders of American blacks. And is still being allowed to exist in all 50 states.

The Fairness Doctrine was deleted in the 1980s by the GOP and the FCC was disemboweled by the GOP in the 1990s, allowing hate mongers fill the airways inciting stochastic terrrorism and giving cover to terrorism by right wing groups.*

GOP candidates support using what they calll the 'Second Amendment Solution' instead of our using our lawful remedies to make political change.


*Okay, that was 'laid on with a trowel', but I'm speaking of people like the GOP who are 'thick as bricks' anyway. And I am not going to be fair and balanced with people who want me eliminated from the land of the living.




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Response to Starry Messenger (Original post)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 12:37 PM

14. Remember the DHS report on “Rightwing Extremism”?

The one the teabaggers went apeshit over because Glen Beck and the rest of the RW spin machine told them "Obama is trying to call you a terrorist"? Even the sweet, animal-rescuing lady I used to work with who on every topic wanted something different from the Republican position and in a sane world would be more liberal than me, but was a Beck fan and gobbled up his loopiness, stuck a sign on her cubicle "I'm the 'rightwing extremist' you're talking about".

Page is exactly the kind of guy the non-fantasy version of that report was talking about.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/homeland-security-department-curtails-home-grown-terror-analysis/2011/06/02/AGQEaDLH_story.html
In the two years since, the officials said, the analytical unit that produced that report has been effectively eviscerated. Much of its work — including a digest of domestic terror incidents and the distribution of definitions for terms such as “white supremacist” and “Christian Identity” — has been blocked.

Multiple current and former law enforcement officials who have regularly viewed DHS analyses said the department had not reported in depth on any domestic extremist groups since 2009.

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Similar frustration was expressed in interviews with current and former officials at fusion centers in Missouri, Virginia and Tennessee. Daryl Johnson, formerly the senior domestic terrorism analyst at DHS and a principal author of the disputed report, confirmed in an interview that he left in frustration last year after his office was “gutted” in response to complaints.
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David Hawtin, who retired last month as a domestic terrorism analyst at the Tennessee Fusion Center, said “the pendulum has swung to a point where we are missing nodes of connection because there is no obvious crime on the front end.”




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Response to JHB (Reply #14)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 12:59 PM

22. Wow, I totally missed that whole story.



Authorities this year have arrested neo-Nazis who allegedly planted a bomb along the route of a Martin Luther King parade in Spokane, Wash.; arrested six members of an Alaska militia who allegedly plotted to kill state troopers; arrested a Wisconsin man for planning to kill Planned Parenthood workers; and on May 29 arrested a Florida man who claimed to be part of the burgeoning “sovereign citizen movement” after he sprayed a market with AK-47 fire.

A spokesman for DHS, Adam Fetcher, declined to say if the department agrees that the threat of domestically inspired terrorism is increasing or how many analysts are presently assigned to the issue, calling that a sensitive intelligence matter. But he said the evolving risk of group or individual violence is “reflected in our briefings and products over the past year.”

A senior department official provided by Fetcher, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence practices, confirmed that “the number of analysts on a daily basis has decreased somewhat, compared to what it was two years ago.” But the official disputed claims by several current and former DHS officials that only two analysts — including one who is a contract employee — now study the issue full-time.

DHS’s caution or avoidance, as its critics claim, may partly stem from worries that aggressive intelligence operations could be seen as civil liberties violations. A DHS official explained that “unlike international terrorism, there are no designated domestic terrorist groups. Subsequently, all the legal actions of an identified extremist group leading up to an act of violence are constitutionally protected and not reported on by DHS.”



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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #22)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 05:56 PM

36. It's from last year, just so there's no misunderstanding. n/t

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #22)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 06:12 PM

41. The liberty folks went nuts over that report

They went to the state capital in MO and staged several protests until the state backed down on the report.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #41)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 06:32 PM

48. Which kind of proves the point of the report.

Utterly disgusting. I really think it's going to get worse in the next few years.

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Response to JHB (Reply #14)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 07:01 PM

53. Yup, you can find it at the Southern Poverty Law Center by the by



I still remember the interviews. The Feds pulled back, they did not.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Original post)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 12:38 PM

15. Oh really

Throw me with a feather!!!!!

Here a relevant thread I started yesterday.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1077015

Now...exactly how shocked or surprised should I pretend to be?

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #15)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 12:57 PM

20. If you must know why, it's because a lot of military, intel and LEC are extreme RW.

The difference is, they are given a legal outlet for their aggression. Read a Clockwork Orange. Alex's Droogs ended up as coppers, beating and renditioning him in the end.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #20)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 01:14 PM

27. Depends on level in any of those agencies

But hey.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #27)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 01:16 PM

29. True. But, explain Cofer Black, Buzzzy and the CTC-Blackwater guys? That's as high as you get

within the career Agency bureaucracy. They are about as Far-RW in their view of the world as one can imagine someone who has been out in the world could be. What they did in the name of country and patriotism is extreme beyond imagination.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Original post)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 12:51 PM

18. Anyone willing to bet that Fox News and other right-wing MSM

won't even mention terrorist or terrorism in relation to this story?

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Response to Starry Messenger (Original post)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 01:00 PM

23. Geesh.. Someone needs to take the skinheads bowling.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Original post)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 01:02 PM

24. He was not only a racist but an IDIOT.

He thought Sikhs were Muslim ... "They wuz BROWN people wearing TURBANS!!"

Bake

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Response to Bake (Reply #24)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 01:15 PM

28. Most racists are idiots, I think.

Bigotry is inherently irrational. I had the displeasure of running foul of some Nazi skins in San Diego around 20 years ago. Utterly batshit.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Original post)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 01:20 PM

30. That has zero to do with this. The gun made him do it. No guns, no hate, no murders (see:

World history before guns).

Think about the American Indians. If they had not gotten their hands on guns a lot of lives would have been saved.

*ONLY* white men in power should be allowed to have guns since us peasants should not be trusted with them. Then, and only then, will we all be safe and some here happy.

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Response to The Straight Story (Reply #30)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 01:22 PM

31. Strange reaction.

I'm glad you found an angle to make you happy. Opinion noted.

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Response to The Straight Story (Reply #30)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 07:10 PM

55. Bending over backwards trying to defend this atrocity & others like it is beneath contempt.

Easy access to guns makes shit like this more likely to happen. Period. Are gun worshipers missing some portion of their brain to not allow them to understand this simple fact?

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Response to Starry Messenger (Original post)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 02:44 PM

34. I really wonder sometimes, if America would be a bit more like Germany is nowadays....

...in going after these people, would we all be better off?

Yeah, I know we're supposed to protect Americans' freedom of speech and all that, but there's a murky area when it crosses into hate speech, and a lot of these assholes get away with promoting hatred because they are usually slick enough to not name specific names or groups that they wish to target.

Horrible.

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Response to YoungDemCA (Reply #34)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 03:02 PM

35. I wonder about that too.

Usually people argue that it's a slippery slope and that can repress speech of progressives too. Although, our government already does that in many ways ("free speech zones" "occupy repression") so...I don't know. I wish there were stricter monitoring of hate activity, that's for sure. It's not like we didn't fight a war over this shit too.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #35)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 06:16 PM

43. Yeah, the government has no problem in suppressing progressive or left-wing movements....

After all, they are "potentially dangerous" to the monied class.

But the faux-populist right-wing bullshit...that's just free speech!

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Response to Starry Messenger (Original post)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 06:06 PM

37. Curious as to why he made his attack on them...

I would have to think that if you are a blood thirsty white supremacist that America is full of places and people that you would like to destroy- inbetween vigourous romps with your cousins and quality time with your "kin" jumping from your trampoline to your above ground pool.

However, Sikhs are a small group, completely peaceful and not at all affiliated with any governemnt plan, scheme, movement- currently or historically. Has there been any discussion to his motive- besides hating anyone who couldn't co-star in a dukes of hazzard episode?

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Response to Odious justice (Reply #37)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 06:24 PM

44. Not sure, I haven't seen anything like that.

Here's sort of something in the Daily Beast:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/08/06/shooting-suspect-wade-michael-page-s-white-power-past.html



Neither the ADL nor the SPLC reported Page to any law-enforcement agency during the time the two groups were tracking him. “There are tens of thousands of people like this,” Potok (SPLC Senior Fellow) said, adding that his group uncovered “no record of criminality on his part.” Particularly for cases like Sunday’s shooting, which seemed to be a lone-wolf attack, Potok said, “it is almost impossible to predict who is going to go out and commit a murder.”

Potok also said if reports that Page acted alone are true, it would be typical of a white supremacist restless with the white power movement as a whole. “He talked specifically about his frustration with the movement not moving forward,” Potok said. “Many people in the white supremacy movement are very impatient with their leaders and established groups. They call them the ‘meet, eat and retreat crowd.’” Next, Potok said, “someone gets sick of the group not doing anything and wakes up one morning and decides to go out and start killing people.”



Chilling. I'm not sure about WI's over all ethnic make-up. This might have been a crime of opportunity. I'm just totally speculating though.

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Response to Odious justice (Reply #37)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 06:30 PM

46. Because they wear readily identifiable headgear. That's why.

Never mind that Sikhism has nothing to do with, say, Islam. They have something on their heads that they wear.

Dude is clearly not the brightest bulb in the chandelier.

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Response to Odious justice (Reply #37)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 08:01 PM

58. I think everyone would like to know,

If he didn't leave a message or communicate with associates it's going to be hard to know.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Original post)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 06:31 PM

47. Color me shocked. Shocked!

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #47)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 06:40 PM

50. I know it seems obvious, but-

I keep thinking of all those assholes at Chik-Fil-A this week stuffing their faces with free fried poultry chunks crying that they're good citizens expressing themselves.

And also, George Zimmerman and his smug assertion that he's just another neighborhood do-gooder and the media nods along until a fuss is made.

Finally one of these assholes is a clear-cut case of what simmers brutally behind all of the nodding and smiling. We all know these turds exist and are totally capable of this.

Is this just going to be brushed off as another isolated case of a person gone bad or is the nation finally going to have the discussion on some of the systemic hate that exists in the US?

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Response to Starry Messenger (Original post)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 06:51 PM

51. Scary, scary mother fornictors

I am not ashamed to say: these scum bags scare the bejeebus out of me

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Response to etherealtruth (Reply #51)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 06:56 PM

52. Same here.

And what they represent.

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