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Thu Aug 2, 2012, 05:57 PM

This Girl Has A Question That'll Stump Your Conservative Friends



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Reply This Girl Has A Question That'll Stump Your Conservative Friends (Original post)
ProfessionalLeftist Aug 2012 OP
freshwest Aug 2012 #1
Ineeda Aug 2012 #2
TreasonousBastard Aug 2012 #3
Freddie Aug 2012 #26
corkhead Aug 2012 #4
kwolf68 Aug 2012 #5
immoderate Aug 2012 #6
DaveJ Aug 2012 #8
SkyDaddy7 Aug 2012 #7
Curmudgeoness Aug 2012 #9
A Simple Game Aug 2012 #10
Moonwalk Aug 2012 #11
A Simple Game Aug 2012 #14
Moonwalk Aug 2012 #21
Freddie Aug 2012 #27
SkyDaddy7 Aug 2012 #25
NYC Liberal Aug 2012 #15
SkyDaddy7 Aug 2012 #24
stupidicus Aug 2012 #12
RC Aug 2012 #16
stupidicus Aug 2012 #22
blkmusclmachine Aug 2012 #13
fascisthunter Aug 2012 #17
alittlelark Aug 2012 #18
HuckleB Aug 2012 #19
Patiod Aug 2012 #20
Manifestor_of_Light Aug 2012 #23
CBHagman Aug 2012 #28

Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 06:00 PM

1. Another excellent meme from MoveOn. Thanks.

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 06:02 PM

2. Or pro-death penalty?

This, however doesn't stump them, or even slow them down. I doubt this girl's question would either. They don't have to make sense, you know. They just have to stick to their irrational ideologies.

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Response to Ineeda (Reply #2)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 06:09 PM

3. You're right-- doesn't slow them down for a minute. They just go on and ignore...

the question like you didn't ask it.

Takes years of practice to get away with that stuff.

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Response to Ineeda (Reply #2)

Sat Aug 4, 2012, 10:56 AM

26. The unborn is "innocent life"

That's their answer to the death penalty/abortion issue

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 06:30 PM

4. I learned a long time ago, long before I became politically aware

that you cannot reason with a crazy person.

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 06:32 PM

5. Another one


PRO LIFE

PRO WAR

PICK ONE

The problem with the pro life crowd is pro life is simply a moniker for anti-abortion. They latch themselves onto the 'i knew you before you were in the womb' non sense while ignoring all the other stuff that would lend oneself to become more Liberal.

So...support the biblical passages that advance a certain political ideology and don't bring up those that support the other.

Essentially, single issue voters.

Abortion is their money shot...after that they have nothing but a bag of hypocrisy.

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Response to kwolf68 (Reply #5)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 06:40 PM

6. Even anti-abortion is a rationalization,,,

They don't want people having sex. This is how they suppress. That's why they're also against contraception.


--imm

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Response to immoderate (Reply #6)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 07:48 PM

8. It's all about control

Cons are following their richie lords who tell them they have no choice but to have babies if they get pregnant. So the Cons have the feeling of submission, appeasing their rich lords. Then they have babies who grow up to think that being submissive automatons is normal, because their parents set that example.

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 07:44 PM

7. Another question that seems to stump Pro-Lifers...

Especially Pro-Life women...I have asked a lot of Pro-Lifers this question & considering I live in the Deep South it is not hard to find Pro-Lifers...

"So, lets say you succeeded in making all abortions illegal...How long should a 19yr old girl go to prison if she happens to survive an illegal abortion?"

Most people will say "Well, I have never really thought about that"...Not one woman I have asked this question actually gave me a time span that they thought would be just but a few men said anywhere from 2-20yrs.

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Response to SkyDaddy7 (Reply #7)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 07:51 PM

9. And I'll give those men 40 to life

for having sex with the woman who got pregnant. End the madness!

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Response to SkyDaddy7 (Reply #7)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 08:05 PM

10. And this, if a female can't have an abortion because of rape, you are

likely giving her a 19 year sentence. That is the time it takes for pregnancy and to raise a child to the age of maturity. How long would you sentence the male to prison for the rape?

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Response to A Simple Game (Reply #10)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 08:17 PM

11. Well, but they'll argue that she's only sentenced to 9 months...

...the assumption big that the baby goes up for adoption.

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Response to Moonwalk (Reply #11)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 08:34 PM

14. Of course she asked for it by dressing provocatively and saying Hi to him. n/t

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Response to A Simple Game (Reply #14)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 11:50 AM

21. That's a different argument. This argument here is that it's not the fetus' fault...

...that it was conceived in rape, so why should it have to die for the crime? Which makes a kind of sense if you ignore the fact that the fetus is inside a human being. See, that's the real key to all this. It's what makes this anti-woman. The one carrying the baby is always taken out of the equation. Even if her life is at risk from the pregnancy, she shouldn't abort. The fetus matters, she does not.

The fetus is given a god-like status (it can't be touched) and the mother is only the vessel carrying it, and she is expected to feel holy and grateful for doing this; she is not a person who is allowed to think for themselves, feel for themselves, or want anything for themselves. She exists only to serve the child. Hm. Sounds like one could create a religion around that. Wonder if there's any connection to the view of mother vs. child in this....

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Response to Moonwalk (Reply #21)

Sat Aug 4, 2012, 11:01 AM

27. Exactly

In their world the fetus' "rights" always supersede the rights of the living, breathing human woman.
That is the offensive part, that the split second conception occurs the woman is merely a vessel, a second class citizen.

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Response to A Simple Game (Reply #10)

Sat Aug 4, 2012, 09:57 AM

25. Exactly!

The rapist would probably do less time & then want to share custody & eventually put lies in the child's mind about how the child was conceived.

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Response to SkyDaddy7 (Reply #7)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 08:39 PM

15. It's not that that question stumps them.

They know what their answer is, they just don't want to say it. I've seen some of them say point blank that they should be tried for murder/accessory to murder.

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #15)

Sat Aug 4, 2012, 09:53 AM

24. YES, I agree some do say that but...

Is it your experience that most who say they should be tried for murder, MEN??

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 08:29 PM

12. who has conservatives friends?

is what I'd like to know.

Anyone anything like the common con today I'd rather live without, and be friendless if necessary.

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Response to stupidicus (Reply #12)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 08:40 PM

16. What about your relatives?

 

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Response to RC (Reply #16)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 01:04 PM

22. I have oodles

and what few cons their was amongst them, (those I interact with regularly anyway) they were harshly shown the error of their ways back in the Bush years.

Someone being a relative doesn't mean squat to me in this context. My political povs, etc, were forged back in the waning days of the VN War, when I had an Archie Bunker-like, pro-war father with a buzz cut. Just because he was my dad didn't mean he got a pass from the condemnations, etc, that I'd offer the common racist, homophobic, apathetic, warmongering, torture-supporting, etc, Pee Partier of today.

Imo, it's the lack of the father against son, brother against brother, etc, condition, like that seen in the VN/civil rights and Civil War eras, and the interpersonal conflicts and the divisions that result, that explain in no small part the rise of the modern rightwingnut and their numbers. If my family was comprised of Pee Partiers, they'd not be seeing me at the thanksgiving table. Why would I wanna spend my time with a group of/a person that thinks I'm a infanticidal marxist muslim born in kenya who's the terrorists best friend and America hater supporter, or in the alternative, those that are likely also racists, homophobes, islamophobes, and part of the "let them eat dirt/die" crowd? Once those lines are drawn in the proverbial sand, there are only three choices available -- give them a pass by virtue of the family relationship alone and overlook it, treat them as you would any stranger of like mind, or divorce yourself from the relationship. Since I don't waste much time beating my head against the proverbial wall arguing with fools or tools, and can't in the interest of those all their povs and political support harm, remain silent, the third option works best for me. ANd in the case of those former Bushbotted relatives, it was they that after the silence and an examination of the evidence, that broke and offered a "You were right!", and apologized for all the "you hate the troops, love the terrosist" crap so prevalent in that crowd back then. It doesn't matter to me if that stuff comes as a direct and personal charge, or by way of implication based on what I support or condemn, the insult remains the same.

And besides, aren't we all defined by who and what we support, and hang with? There's nothing fair/just about giving family or friends a pass for things we'd ream the butts of strangers for, it just shows that the ones that do so, are willing to elevate due to self-interest, the value of relationships with people over the needs of those people that their vote would deny them. And if you give them the treatment you rightly would the stranger, what are the odds the realtionship is gonna retain the depth, breadth, and quality it had? Zero I'd say. To me the choice in this instance, is between preserving relationships with people who support various injustices, or serving the interests of those (often oneself as well) victimized by the injustices they support. I have an uncle Tom, but I'll never be one, because silence is consent, and tolerance for intolerance is an enabling of it.

I'd add also, that imo, that it has been the fear or existence of such alienation that explains in no small part the rise in support for gay marriage, etc, and in my long argued opinion on the other side of the coin, the widespread acceptance and tolerance for islamophobia since 9/11, that opened the door for so many racists to make inroads from the fringes of the public square where they once largely resided prior to it. Evil grows when good men stay silent. End of story. The same can be said as was seen by me in my relationship with my dad, for the changes in attitudes over the VN war, civil rights, etc. The enactment of the CRA in 1964 didn't change heartsd and minds, it was the collective effort of those of us that tenaciously championed those causes publicly -- and privately as I'm arguing for here -- that did. ANd the bottom line is, if the Pee Partiers, homophobes, racists, warmongers, torture-supporters, etc, pay no price for their povs, then there's no incentive for them to change.

“I’m always glad to get comments four years later,” McCain told Fox News, laughing. “Look, I respect the vice president. He and I had strong disagreements as to whether we should torture people or not. I don’t think we should have.”


Sorry, I can neither like nor respect a war criminal, or anyone (an enabler) that does, whether a relative or not, when it's clear that they know exactly what it is they are supporting. You might as well turn McCain black and change torture to the CRA of 1964. How as a victim, do you respect someone who'd keep you a second class citizen? ANd I'd ask as well, on a personal level, how could a relative or what would they base it on, respect someone they paint as a lilly-livered traitor supporter (based on the aforementioned rightwingnut description of BHO) that isn't in their face correcting them? That's the fuel that keeps bullies big and small thriving, the knowledge there is no price for their dirty deeds, and that it is they that have all the "respect", albeit of the less than desirable kind, as all fear-based respect is.

We see the same thing in almost all of DC politicians across the ideological divide as well. The sad part is, while the rightwingnuts have spent decades freely and without fear of reprisal painting/defining our kind in the most egregious and dishonest ways available, there's been little reciprocity (well, recently Kucinich, Grayson, and Weiner come to mind) from their dem/liberal victims, despite them having the facts on their side to make and sustain the case against the brownshirts.

Civility is way overrated, and tolerance for their intolerance is gonna be the death of this republic. That is after all, why they feel free to argue, no matter how stupidly and stupid it is, that it is those that are condemning the chick-fil-a people, that are the only "real", intolerant ones.

SO yeah, I'd give any relative a hearty "fuck you" that attended a rightwingnut Chick-fil-a-fest, or a host of other things the modern rightwingnut stands for, and hope they didn't like it.

Does this answer your question...lol?

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 08:32 PM

13. They're only for PRENATAL life.

Postnatally: You're on your own.

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 08:40 PM

17. because they are really pro-evil

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 09:22 PM

18. Mean Girls!!!

I love that flick!

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 09:25 PM

19. I posted that one on facebook.

The cons went silent, and the couple didn't tried to offer up logical fallacy based questions. Ugh. If only evolution had led to developing a typical trait of humans being able to say they are wrong about something, and not being so durned stuck in the habit of what we "believe."

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Original post)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 11:26 AM

20. Someone posted a picture of Jesus healing the sick

and the comments mostly mentioned that Jesus' miracles were free, but the FB posters didn't want to have to PAY for "someone else's" health care.

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Original post)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 01:11 PM

23. Then there's my idiot stepson who believes in 3 strikes, the death penalty.

Three felony convictions, you should be executed. Even non-violent ones.

I confronted him about his attitude about weed. Poor white and black people should go to jail for possession of weed, but it's ok for rich white guys to partake. I said "Isn't that hypocritical?" and he said "Maybe".



I stopped speaking to him in June. He's the one that posts nauseating pukeworthy anti-Obama hate speech and cannot understand why I won't talk to him.

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Original post)

Sat Aug 4, 2012, 11:01 AM

28. And all these Christians who say they love Jesus and follow Him...

...seem to have forgotten He went around healing, apparently at no profit to the shareholders -- in fact, for free.

Not only don't they forget the bit about loving their enemies; they can't manage the part about loving their neighbors.

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