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Thu Aug 2, 2012, 02:45 PM

the longer that Chik Fil A stays in the headlines, the worse for our side

- boycotting is one thing, and is not the problem.

- politically trying to block businesses from opening stores based on the personal bigotry of the ceo was a mistake. Rahm and the Boston mayor fucked up. They gave the right wing bigots the ability to, amazingly, claim the high ground. It is simple not okay to block a business from doing business based on the personal opinions of the ceo, as long as the business doesn't discriminate in hiring or serving.

We've now given the right wing their new "ground zero mosque" or "war on christmas" to whip up their base and change the subject away from romney for the next several weeks.


Mr. Cathy is a bigot. As long as that bigotry is not manifested in his hiring and serving policies, it is perfectly legal for him to be an asshole bigot. And boycotting his businesses is a valid and justified response. But Chicago and Boston governments CANNOT bloc him from opening up stores. That *is* government intruding on free speech. We've now amazingly turned Mr. Cathy into the victim, and a sympathetic figure.


LET IT SINK.


Sometimes our side is politically stupid. Calling for a boycott should have been all we did... Not Rahm's stupid overreach.

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Reply the longer that Chik Fil A stays in the headlines, the worse for our side (Original post)
scheming daemons Aug 2012 OP
Lex Aug 2012 #1
scheming daemons Aug 2012 #2
madinmaryland Aug 2012 #3
lpbk2713 Aug 2012 #4
scheming daemons Aug 2012 #6
demosincebirth Aug 2012 #5
russspeakeasy Aug 2012 #8
Arkana Aug 2012 #7
scheming daemons Aug 2012 #17
earthside Aug 2012 #9
upaloopa Aug 2012 #10
randome Aug 2012 #12
Right Hand of Dog Aug 2012 #24
upaloopa Aug 2012 #39
lunatica Aug 2012 #11
scheming daemons Aug 2012 #18
AlinPA Aug 2012 #23
Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #31
MNBrewer Aug 2012 #40
scheming daemons Aug 2012 #44
MNBrewer Aug 2012 #45
SomethingFishy Aug 2012 #13
denverbill Aug 2012 #14
Right Hand of Dog Aug 2012 #25
LibAsHell Aug 2012 #15
Gman Aug 2012 #16
scheming daemons Aug 2012 #20
Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #29
Gman Aug 2012 #38
gordianot Aug 2012 #19
Zoeisright Aug 2012 #21
DCKit Aug 2012 #22
Swede Aug 2012 #26
brooklynite Aug 2012 #28
Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #32
lunatica Aug 2012 #36
Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #37
Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #27
Fumesucker Aug 2012 #30
Comrade_McKenzie Aug 2012 #33
ecstatic Aug 2012 #34
Poll_Blind Aug 2012 #35
Ruby the Liberal Aug 2012 #41
MNBrewer Aug 2012 #42
Ruby the Liberal Aug 2012 #43

Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 02:47 PM

1. More people know they're bigots now than ever before and that's a good thing.

I don't care about the fundies being happy about their one chicken sandwich chain that they can happily claim as "theirs."

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Response to Lex (Reply #1)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 02:51 PM

2. it gives the media a shiny object that saves romney

The tax return and foreign trip disasters now move to back pages.

The big picture is that we have an election to win, and rahm and the boston mayor fucked up.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 02:53 PM

3. I think this story will die within the next day or so. It might take a little longer on DU, but it

will die down.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 02:53 PM

4. I think the people that line up outside CfA in 95 heat are the lunatic fringe.



They were probably going to vote for Mittens anyway so worrying about them is pointless.

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Response to lpbk2713 (Reply #4)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 02:59 PM

6. not worried about them... worried about them suffocating news coverage

Of anything else.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 02:57 PM

5. Let's face it, it back-fired.

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Response to demosincebirth (Reply #5)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 03:01 PM

8. A major fart in a small room.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 03:01 PM

7. I don't give a damn.

It needed to be said. If no one calls them out on it, then what are doing here?

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Response to Arkana (Reply #7)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 03:27 PM

17. calling it out is proper. using govt apparatus (aka Rahm) is NOT.

That's where the fuckup occurred.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 03:02 PM

9. Agreed.

From the minute I heard about this I knew it would be a mistake for the progressive side to engage.

Sometimes it is best for ignorance and bigotry to be be treated as not worthy of response.

Mr. Cathy is exactly that kind of person.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 03:06 PM

10. I don't think so. Support for Gay marriage is going to be a plank in the Democratic platform.

The majority of Americans support Gay marriage. We look like people of principle where they look like the religious bigots they are.

It can only be good for us to show by actions what we believe in.

Fearing what the right will do is a waste of time. No matter what we do or don't do we will get the 24/7 attacks. If not Chick Fil A it will be something else.

Also it is not only some business owner's beliefs. That company gives money to hate groups and to refuse them a business license is to reduce money going to hate groups by anyone who eats there.

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #10)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 03:10 PM

12. Agree completely.

The tide is turning and it can't be stopped any longer. The momentum is too strong. More and more corporations are 'coming out'.

It will take a little time to get all the corners of the country on board but marriage equality is a done deal. Anyone who can't see the writing on the wall is not looking closely.

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #10)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 04:10 PM

24. If the majority of the country supports it

 

why does it keep losing at the ballot box?

Let the story die, the company has been donating to these groups since 2003. It's not news anymore

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Response to Right Hand of Dog (Reply #24)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 06:04 PM

39. It loses at the ballot box because too many people don't give enough of a damn to get off their

lazy asses and vote.

CA's prop 8 is going to the Supreme Court. The supporters have lost in every federal court and the State Supreme Court. We care enough in CA to end this hateful proposition even though the majority of people who voted voted against it. It was funded by the Mormons and the anti 8 people were outspent.

Sorry but these stories won't die. We've gone too far to sit back and wait.

The majority has no right to take away someone's rights.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 03:08 PM

11. I disagree completely

Everyone needs to see this crap and everyone needs to talk about it. Ignoring it or trying to sweep it under the rug will keep things exactly as they are in this country. It's time to bring everything out into the open. People should know where their representatives stand on these hateful issues.

I always suspected the Palin's of being bigots and racists, but now I know for sure after seeing a photo of them buying the Chic-fil-a food. She could have been our Vice President! And her backers want her to run for something again. For all we know she'll run for President next time.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #11)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 03:29 PM

18. not even remotely what I am saying

Boycotting and calling Cathy out are both proper actions.

Using the govt, aka Rahm and Menino, is NOT ok.


The govt can't block a business because of the thought crimes of its ceo. Just can't.


Protest, boycott, and shout from the rooftops. That's ok.

But you can't use govt to punsih how a person thinks.

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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #18)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 03:54 PM

23. Are they really blocking them (denying permits to build, to serve, shutting them down)? From

what I hear, those mayors said that they were not welcome and don't share the same values. That's not blocking, IMO. Maybe something else happened, but i didn't hear/see it.

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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #18)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 04:51 PM

31. Except no government is blocking them. This is a Strawchicken.

Let us know when the government blocks a business opening, until then this is some fantasia, a bunch of soap sold by the right wing. They also say the gov'ment is coming for your guns, and that religious freedom died yesterday. They say many, many things.

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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #18)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 06:26 PM

40. Please detail for us the government actions that have been taken

to block ChikFilA from doing anything whatsoever since Mr. Cathy decided to pour gasoline on the smoldering flames of the boycott. I'm pretty sure you will find the list a very short one, with approximately zero entries.

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Response to MNBrewer (Reply #40)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 08:25 PM

44. rahm emmanuel's alderman

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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #44)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 04:18 PM

45. Rahm Emmanuel has is OWN Alderman???

Really... what did Rahm's Alderman actually DO that blocked a CFA restaurant from opening.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 03:12 PM

13. Yeah but they look like this:



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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 03:16 PM

14. Completely agree. Keep boycotting. The boycott will outlast the right-wingers feeding frenzy.

Rahm's a fucking retard.

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Response to denverbill (Reply #14)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 04:10 PM

25. Boycotts are good

 

Government Officals making threats are bad

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 03:25 PM

15. We should note that Menino did not do anything

At no point in his letter did he claim he was going to legally block Chick-Fil-A from opening a business. He just said we don't want you here and urged them to back out of their plans to set up shop.

Rahm, I agree, did fu*k up, as he actually suggested he'd prevent Chick-Fil-A from opening, which he legally cannot do simply in response to Chick-Fil-A's statements.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 03:26 PM

16. The whole thing won't change anyone's mind on either side

It really doesn't matter. There is only a very small segment of the voting public in swing states that's in play right now. They're primarily worried about the economy and jobs. This is a side show.

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Response to Gman (Reply #16)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 03:31 PM

20. a side show that is dominating news coverage

To our side's decrement.

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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #20)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 04:41 PM

29. Define 'our side'. You keep saying that, but you imply Rahm is on my side, and I don't think so

He may be on your side, but he's never been on mine. He's a centrist nearly a Republican his brother is out to cut Social Security for sport. They suck. Not in a good way.

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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #20)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 05:56 PM

38. It's summer

A traditionally very slow news period. So this gives the media something to do in the meantime.

The thing is nobody really pays attention until after Labor Day.

But in any event, it's more a side show. It also puts on display the intolerance of the other side.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 03:30 PM

19. It is fine to point out what Mr. Cathy represents but this has reached levels of distraction.

Romney is on the ropes he wants the referee to push his opponent into a neutral corner. This is just becoming a manufactured diversion to change the conversation. Chic Fil A is already damaged goods.

I agree with the original post.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 03:41 PM

21. Completely disagree.

Shining a light on bigots is essential to changing the country. The tide is turning against Cathy and other assholes like him. And they WILL lose. But only if we know about them.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 03:47 PM

22. You've heard of ADD, right?

 

They lost interest before the finished eating their sandwiches.

It was an empty display of support.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 04:12 PM

26. I disagree.

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Response to Swede (Reply #26)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 04:39 PM

28. and THAT is preciely the error in your argument.

Chick-Fil-A DOESN'T discriminate against blacks, gays or anyone else; either in employment or in serving customers. The only issue in question is the personal stated opinion of the owner of the company.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #28)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 04:54 PM

32. I do not agree with you. Do you have proof that they have even one gay store 'operator'?

Because they claim they don't even allow the divorced a role of any kind. 'We are all married to our first wives' Cathy said.
What is the factual basis for your statement that they don't discriminate in employment? Are you aware that it is legal to do so in most States in which they have stores?

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #28)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 05:04 PM

36. Doesn't he give money to anti-gay groups?

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Response to lunatica (Reply #36)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 05:40 PM

37. Of course he does, and the company does as well. That poster is making assertions without

any basis in fact. The authoritative tone is just bluster.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 04:36 PM

27. Look, Rham can poison wells like the good Thrid Way minion he is

That's got zip to do with the price of bigotry. Rahm is not 'my side'. He's some operative who has insulted me and my community many times. He can go fuck himself, or more to the point, he can defend himself. Got an issue with him, take it to him, or to the President who built him up or someone who cares.
No one has prevented Chick Fil A from opening anything. This is a Straw Chicken.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 04:42 PM

30. Well, I'll say this, the CfA brouhaha has outed one of my relatives to me as a bigot..

I got a major dose the other day of "Cramming the homosexual agenda down our throats" from someone I did not realize was such a bigot..

I asked "What is the homosexual agenda?".

__ Crickets ___

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 04:56 PM

33. I'd go farther than that...

 

And revoke the right to run for office from anyone that wants to run on a platform of denying equal rights to everyone.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 04:56 PM

34. I'm disgusted with CFA, but I too would like the story to sink

I want to hear about Rmoney's stonewalling when it comes to releasing taxes, etc.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 04:57 PM

35. No, all it means is that Rahm and the Boston mayor are fucking idiots. And they're going to keep...

...being idiots, most likely.

So I don't why that should have much impact on what more reasonable people feel about, or act on, the situation.

PB

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 06:35 PM

41. I feel for the sane franchisees,

but have no desire to patronize them. Ate there once in the 80s and it was the worst chicken I ever had in my life. Never tried it again.

That said, I have to agree with you on the separation of church and state deal. I don't want Mr Cathy's church in my state, and I don't want my state interfering in his business.

Let the man go bankrupt the old fashioned way.

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Response to Ruby the Liberal (Reply #41)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 06:37 PM

42. that seems not to be a parallel construction

"I don't want Mr Cathy's church in my state, and I don't want my state interfering in his business."

Is his business a church? I guess it is.

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Response to MNBrewer (Reply #42)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 06:59 PM

43. Separation of Church and State.

I don't want his church in my state's business, and I don't want my state in his business.

Didn't mean to be confusing - I didn't think that needed an explanation?

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