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Thu Aug 2, 2012, 01:26 PM

Global Warming Deniers Put Everyone In Jeopardy.

Global warming deniers put us all in jeopardy. By obstructing and keeping the sane among us from making efforts to reduce carbon emissions put the rest of us in danger.

The largest dangers is that climate scientists are right on one level about warming but wrong on another level. That miscalculation may be that our climate could flip quickly into a serious situation that we will be unable to do anything about. We could be like the airliner that is reaching the point of crashing catastrophically when there is no time to do anything.

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Reply Global Warming Deniers Put Everyone In Jeopardy. (Original post)
TheMastersNemesis Aug 2012 OP
Gregorian Aug 2012 #1
arbusto_baboso Aug 2012 #3
cherokeeprogressive Aug 2012 #9
Gregorian Aug 2012 #10
yawnmaster Aug 2012 #11
ananda Aug 2012 #2
Whiskeytide Aug 2012 #5
LiberalAndProud Aug 2012 #4
LiberalAndProud Aug 2012 #6
guardian Aug 2012 #12
Snarkoleptic Aug 2012 #7
yawnmaster Aug 2012 #8
RobertEarl Aug 2012 #13

Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 01:43 PM

1. . There's much more to the seriousness of our situation than just climate change.

And climate scientists are not addressing the entire situation. I see one or two on Rachel Maddow, and they talk about how we can make steps to reduce carbon emissions. But the real issue is bigger than that. And by only addressing carbon emissions, they are missing the mark. Caffeine in our coastal waters, fisheries depleted, heavy nitrogen pollution in our rivers and oceans, global dimming, deforestation... Oh, and global warming.

When do we start talking about global population? Never? If never, then all of the rest isn't worth even talking about. We might as well just continue the fossil fuel party. Otherwise it's time to start making the difficult decision to discuss the unmentionable.

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Response to Gregorian (Reply #1)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 01:48 PM

3. Exactly. The SUSTAINABLE human population for this planet is about 1 billion.

We passed that mark a long time ago, and it's been going downhill like a rocket-sled on rails ever since.

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Response to arbusto_baboso (Reply #3)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 11:54 PM

9. That's just a hair over 17 people per square mile.

57,506,000 square miles of land / 1,000,000,000 people = 17.38 people per square mile.

How does one arrive at the number of people the planet can sustain?

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #9)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 01:25 PM

10. That's a good question.

The answer is what the planet can sustain, and keep it's natural equilibrium. It can absorb CO2. It can take nitrogen into the water.

One thing we know is that we're way way over that mark. I have never commented on just how many people can be sustained. I do know that we were already over the limit at half of our present population.

All I want is dialogue. It's such a touchy subject. And it's so important, we cannot afford to avoid discussing it.

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #9)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 06:32 PM

11. part of how many can be sustained is food produced...

and that comes down to solar energy per area of land and fertilizing of said land to optimize output.
Energy reserves allow a large amount of kCalories to be produced per unit of land area to sustain the large population of the Earth.
When the energy reserves give out there will be major problems.
but in the end all will work out for the Earth. Humans may not like the transition, but that's nature.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 01:47 PM

2. Is it evolutionary?

The species is winding down to an end?
It happens.

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Response to ananda (Reply #2)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 02:00 PM

5. TDS had Fred Guterl on ...

... I think it was last night (but sometimes I forget when I'm catching a rerun). He wrote a book of the numerous ways we are causing our own extinction. "The Fate of the Species".

http://www.thedailyshow.com/

Pretty interesting take. Personally, I have always believed it will be a superbug/flu that is unleashed from melting snow packs, is stoked by warming coastal waters, or is accidentally released from a research facility - wake up one day and, damn - its 28 days later.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 01:49 PM

4. Not to be defeatist,

but this feels to me as though we've already passed the point of no return. As the deniers' voices fade because they have been so deadly wrong, the pessimist in me believes that we are already too late.

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Response to LiberalAndProud (Reply #4)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 06:25 PM

6. Well

that's depressing. I think no one here disagrees with the pessimist in me.


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Response to LiberalAndProud (Reply #4)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 08:49 PM

12. Time to start preppin'

 

Maybe you'll be one of the people left when world population shrinks to under 1 billion.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 10:58 PM

7. Here's an oldie but a goodie

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 11:28 PM

8. everything will all work out in the end. eom

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 09:03 PM

13. Remember?

How the survivors of hurricane Katrina were treated?

That could be happening all over America.

Only thing one can do now is get prepared.

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