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Reply Imagine how stupid you're going to look..... (Original post)
Fumesucker Aug 2012 OP
TeamPooka Aug 2012 #1
thecrow Aug 2012 #11
BOG PERSON Aug 2012 #22
arely staircase Aug 2012 #44
Zax2me Aug 2012 #87
TeamPooka Aug 2012 #88
jillan Aug 2012 #2
dmr Aug 2012 #3
drm604 Aug 2012 #6
sa2968 Aug 2012 #13
drm604 Aug 2012 #4
caraher Aug 2012 #14
TeamPooka Aug 2012 #17
Iggo Aug 2012 #91
TeamPooka Aug 2012 #96
Mad_Dem_X Aug 2012 #105
barbtries Aug 2012 #5
sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #37
michael811 Aug 2012 #7
siligut Aug 2012 #8
Chorophyll Aug 2012 #9
BlueinOhio Aug 2012 #10
Fumesucker Aug 2012 #12
lunatica Aug 2012 #26
jerseyjack Aug 2012 #15
LynneSin Aug 2012 #16
xxqqqzme Aug 2012 #63
LynneSin Aug 2012 #69
NJCher Aug 2012 #79
agent46 Aug 2012 #18
arely staircase Aug 2012 #45
DCKit Aug 2012 #19
Posteritatis Aug 2012 #20
woo me with science Aug 2012 #21
Revlon10 Aug 2012 #23
vanlassie Aug 2012 #99
JohnnyRingo Aug 2012 #24
fascisthunter Aug 2012 #55
HopeHoops Aug 2012 #25
RKP5637 Aug 2012 #27
tularetom Aug 2012 #28
RKP5637 Aug 2012 #29
zeemike Aug 2012 #36
muntrv Aug 2012 #51
yardwork Aug 2012 #74
Kalidurga Aug 2012 #30
tomm2thumbs Aug 2012 #35
Tom Ripley Aug 2012 #31
Fumesucker Aug 2012 #34
gaspee Aug 2012 #32
Tarheel_Dem Aug 2012 #33
zeemike Aug 2012 #38
Fumesucker Aug 2012 #39
zeemike Aug 2012 #41
MNBrewer Aug 2012 #42
zeemike Aug 2012 #47
Fumesucker Aug 2012 #43
zeemike Aug 2012 #46
Fumesucker Aug 2012 #48
zeemike Aug 2012 #54
Fumesucker Aug 2012 #57
zeemike Aug 2012 #58
Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #71
zeemike Aug 2012 #77
MNBrewer Aug 2012 #81
zeemike Aug 2012 #82
MNBrewer Aug 2012 #83
zeemike Aug 2012 #84
MNBrewer Aug 2012 #85
zeemike Aug 2012 #86
MNBrewer Aug 2012 #89
zeemike Aug 2012 #92
MNBrewer Aug 2012 #95
zeemike Aug 2012 #98
MNBrewer Aug 2012 #100
zeemike Aug 2012 #102
MNBrewer Aug 2012 #103
zeemike Aug 2012 #104
Luminous Animal Aug 2012 #50
zeemike Aug 2012 #56
Luminous Animal Aug 2012 #62
zeemike Aug 2012 #66
Fumesucker Aug 2012 #67
zeemike Aug 2012 #68
Fumesucker Aug 2012 #70
zeemike Aug 2012 #76
Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #72
zeemike Aug 2012 #75
Horse with no Name Aug 2012 #90
zeemike Aug 2012 #93
Horse with no Name Aug 2012 #94
zeemike Aug 2012 #97
TwilightGardener Aug 2012 #40
alphafemale Aug 2012 #49
muntrv Aug 2012 #52
blkmusclmachine Aug 2012 #53
Politicub Aug 2012 #59
Marrah_G Aug 2012 #60
Marrah_G Aug 2012 #61
Fumesucker Aug 2012 #64
DainBramaged Aug 2012 #73
joeybee12 Aug 2012 #65
4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #78
LittleGirl Aug 2012 #80
MNBrewer Aug 2012 #101

Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 12:30 PM

1. crowd looks exactly the same....

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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #1)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 01:14 PM

11. Definitely a lot fatter.

Ah, the Murkan diet.

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Response to thecrow (Reply #11)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 02:29 PM

22. and less fashionable

white american aesthetics has seriously deteriorated

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Response to thecrow (Reply #11)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 06:56 PM

44. Re: Murkan diet

yeah like hate-fil-a

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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #1)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 10:48 PM

87. You could not be more wrong.

 

Around here African American churches dump into Chik Fil A after every Sunday sermon.
Many were on the local news Wednesday.
Those old pics were lily white only.

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Response to Zax2me (Reply #87)

Sat Aug 4, 2012, 01:15 AM

88. I don't see any minorities on line in the pic in the article.

I stand by my statement.

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 12:38 PM

2. Imagine how stupid you are going to look when you go to the doctor for high cholesterol from

eating so much fried food, and
you'll need to thank President Obama for Obamacare.

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 12:43 PM

3. Tents? What is that? Occupy Chickens? Call the cops! Scatter them!

They are a danger to society! They need to take baths & find a job.

Or, something like that!



Really, they spend time protecting intolerance and hatred?

Do these people even read the book in which they pin their hopes for everlasting glory?

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Response to dmr (Reply #3)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 12:54 PM

6. The tents don't make much sense do they? (Not that any of it makes much sense.)

Are they afraid they'll run out of chicken? It's not concert tickets or the latest iPad. They can always come back next week.

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Response to dmr (Reply #3)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 01:31 PM

13. They need those tents...

...to rest their fat, out of shape asses before clogging their arteries some more.

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 12:46 PM

4. A good proportion of the people in that Chick-fil-A line

probably agree with the people in that old photo.

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Response to drm604 (Reply #4)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 01:33 PM

14. +1

They're just smart enough not to say so in public.

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Response to drm604 (Reply #4)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 02:05 PM

17. same crowd, different year

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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #17)

Sat Aug 4, 2012, 10:34 AM

91. Thread winner!

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Response to Iggo (Reply #91)

Sat Aug 4, 2012, 12:05 PM

96. I'd like to thank the Acadamy....

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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #17)

Sat Aug 4, 2012, 05:19 PM

105. Yep.

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 12:46 PM

5. love it.

it's good for those of us on this side of the question as well, to remember that the bigots of the 60s did eventually come to be regarded by most if not all as having stood on the decidedly wrong side of history.

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Response to barbtries (Reply #5)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 05:42 PM

37. 'Wrong side of history'

exactly and that is how those photos should be titled.

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 12:55 PM

7. conservatives in 40 years will just claim they were the ones really in favor of gay marriage

just like they do with the civil rights movement

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 01:06 PM

8. The RW wants to stop progress

If the RW has their way, in 40 yrs, all people will be heterosexual, in the closet or dead.

Asking those people in the chicken line to imagine anything is even more unrealistic than expecting them to think for themselves.

This isn't to say that I don't appreciate the series, I just don't believe that it has any effect on the RW. But then again. maybe the RW isn't the target audience.

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 01:13 PM

9. Is it possible for them to look stupider than they already do?

"I'm gonna eat fast-food chicken sammiches till the homosexuals magically disappear!"

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 01:14 PM

10. The most obvious question

This whole thing is because Dan Cathy says he is a christian right? I have a question, Jesus said it is easier for a camel to go through an eye of a needle than a rich man to go to heaven, how come he has not given up his riches and giving the food away at his restaurants? To prove he is a christian he needs to give up his earthly treasures and receive his reward when he dies like the rest of us are expected to do.

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Response to BlueinOhio (Reply #10)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 01:16 PM

12. I actually had someone tell me Dan Cathy was "a small businessman" yesterday..

I replied that yes, he was small minded..

... crickets ....

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #12)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 02:51 PM

26. You should have ask him what that had to do with teh gay?

They're denizens of the bottom of the barrel.

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 01:40 PM

15. It takes a level of intelligence to recognize when its time to be embarrassed.

 

---they may look stupid in 20 years but it won't bother them.

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 02:04 PM

16. Only in america would we celebrate our right to clog our arteries

I'll be the first to admit I have never had the healthiest of diet but I was never a big fan of fast food. Maybe once a month I'd get a roast beef sandwich from Arby's and about the same for a Chocolate Shake from McDonald's. In a pinch I do like the salads from Wendy's. Give me a big pile of veggies and I'm a happy camper.

But what's weird is after 6 months of a healthier lifestyle I find my body really rejects foods that are unhealthy. Don't get me wrong, I can eat them and savor them. But in a few hours my body feels like shit. If it's alot of sugar I'll have a killer headache. Too much salt and I can feel my body bloat up.

So for me, I doubt I would ever partake in an event just like this because it promotes unhealthy foods, my body just can't handle it anymore.

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Response to LynneSin (Reply #16)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 02:34 AM

63. I hear that.

The last fast food I had was about 6 weeks ago - 2 fish tacos w/ a squeeze of lime. Other than that, I cannot eat fast food for the very reasons you list. I have never been able to eat KFC or anything from Jack in the Box. It sits in my stomach & does nothing but make me feel nauseous.

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Response to xxqqqzme (Reply #63)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 08:43 AM

69. I can hardly call fish tacos as 'fast food' unless it was piled with cheese

I have to confess I do like the occasion chocolate shake from McDonalds and Wendy's has great salads if you need something in a pinch.

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Response to LynneSin (Reply #16)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 11:52 AM

79. same situation, different take on it

...my body just can't handle it anymore.

I react similarly. My take, though, is that this type of food just makes people feel that way and they don't notice it because they eat it on a fairly regular basis. I don't think it has anything to do with getting older.

It's only when one stays off it for a long, long time and then has some that one notices how bad it makes a person feel.

I noticed it with other unhealthy products. Thirty-one years ago when I had quit smoking, I tried a cigarette and it made me feel horrible for days.

Soda--same thing.

I think our body acclimates to these lousy products and we don't notice how bad they make us feel until we've been away from them for awhile (awhile is at least a month).


Cher

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 02:14 PM

18. Back to the future?

Interracial Marriage: Many Deep South Republican Voters Believe Interracial Marriage Should Be Illegal

Despite the fact that the number of interracial marriages in the U.S. reached an all-time high this year, there are many who still believe that mixed-race marriage is unacceptable and should be made illegal, according to a new report.

On Monday, polling firm Public Policy Polling (PPP) revealed that 29 percent of likely GOP voters surveyed in Mississippi believe that interracial marriage should be illegal. Fifty-four percent said intermarriage should remain legal, and the rest responded that they weren't sure. The survey also found that 21 percent of likely GOP voters polled in Alabama believe that interracial marriage should be illegal.

~snip~


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/12/interracial-marriage-deep-south_n_1339827.html

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Response to agent46 (Reply #18)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 07:01 PM

45. and you know what?

20 percent was the number that were willing to say so to a stranger on the phone.

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 02:19 PM

19. Horizontal stripes - they didn't get out of the house without looking willfully ignorant. nt

 

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 02:26 PM

20. It looks incredibly stupid even now

At least the latter are protesting at a legislative building. Wrong as they were that's a bit different from lining up at a fast-food restaurant as a means of pushing a cause.

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 02:27 PM

21. Great post.

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 02:40 PM

23. on the bright side

In 40 years we may have a President married to his or her same sex partner.

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Response to Revlon10 (Reply #23)

Sat Aug 4, 2012, 12:49 PM

99. We have a winner!

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 02:46 PM

24. I'll never understand the hate.

A hatred of gays so fierce that it makes a person take such proactive steps to tell the community that they have no tolerance for people they consider different.

I don't understand why they don't just shrug their shoulders and say "who cares what others do in their bedrooms". Comparing this hate with those who stood openly against integration 50 years ago is apt.

Sometimes I suspect these people are so insecure in their own sexual identity that they over react as a way to drive another nail in their closet door. They should just stay home and burn their hand on the stove everytime they have a homoerotic urge.

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Response to JohnnyRingo (Reply #24)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 08:54 PM

55. ding!

and I'm happy to agree with you for once. Cheers brotha.

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 02:50 PM

25. Minor detail, but the people in the second picture aren't already too fat to be eating there.

 

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 02:56 PM

27. Same type of people, bigots and racists, then and now, and in the

future. They'll find something to replace 'the gay.' They're just born and conditioned to hate. They've just gotta hate something.

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 03:06 PM

28. I can't believe this thing wasn't orchestrated

Was it pushed at all the ginormous megachurches?

And by the little backwoods holy roller pastors?

Was some kind of inducement offered?

The kind of pasty fat ass inbred douchebags in that picture can barely be persuaded to get off their ass long enough to go shopping at Walmart. WTF would motivate them to go stand in a line for hours in the hot sun just to get a crappy fast food sandwich and sock it to them queers?

Sure these people are sheep but they're also extremely lazy. IMO there's a lot more to this than meets the eye.

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Response to tularetom (Reply #28)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 03:12 PM

29. +++ 1000 +++ n/t

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Response to tularetom (Reply #28)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 05:40 PM

36. Yes it was orchestrated.

And we got sucked right in.
And there is more to come I am sure...and by November they will have a base locked in...and we will still be fighting and idea....making us look like the radicals.

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Response to tularetom (Reply #28)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 08:07 PM

51. I thought they were giving out gift cards to customers.

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Response to tularetom (Reply #28)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 09:37 AM

74. Yes, orchestrated by the right wing churches, and the inducement is eternal wealth.

The right wing churches no longer offer eternal salvation as an inducement. They've switched over the prosperity gospel, where Jesus's actual words are switched around to say "Do what the minister tells you to do and you will be rich forever." Not rich in spirit, rich in dollars.

I guess they don't preach about the Sermon on the Mount much anymore.

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 03:50 PM

30. They don't have to wait 40 years...

they already look stupid.

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #30)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 04:58 PM

35. good point

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 03:55 PM

31. The racists of 40 years ago are better looking than today's homophobes

they look more fit and have better fashion sense

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Response to Tom Ripley (Reply #31)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 04:50 PM

34. "Better fashion sense"



How true..

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 04:45 PM

32. That's the way

I console myself when faced with the hate on a daily basis. There is still a lot of racism in our society - but people are smart enough to keep it to themselves in polite company and society (as a whole, though not completely) shuns those who express open racism.

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 04:49 PM

33. K&R

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 05:44 PM

38. It all depends on who wins

Cause it is the victor that writes history.

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Response to zeemike (Reply #38)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 05:59 PM

39. "Let us realize the arc of the moral universe is long but it bends toward justice." -MLK Jr..

Last edited Thu Aug 2, 2012, 06:55 PM - Edit history (2)

The comparison between the black civil rights movement and the gay civil rights movement has so many parallels that the comparison is impossible to ignore..

Edited for redundant redundancy..

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #39)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 06:39 PM

41. Well I don''t want to have this argument.

But there are many differences between them...and to this specific point the goals are not the same....the civil rights movement had an achievable goal of equal rights not the abolishment of racism...cause the latter is what that long arch of history is about...changing peoples minds and hearts not confrontation with them over their views.
And that was the meaning of "keep your eyes on the prize"...and their prize was equality not the destruction of an idea through confrontation and political pressure...they did not go after that impossible and foolish goal...and they won.

Some one has convinced someone that we should attack bigotry...call them out and subject them to political pressure...and what that has accomplished is to make a fight where there should be none and make us and them choose up sides...and many of the church goers saw this as an attack on religion and went for the sandwich.
Now they are firmly locked in on that side and you will play hell trying to win the hearts and minds that way.

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Response to zeemike (Reply #41)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 06:45 PM

42. You are remarkably ignorant of the gay civil rights movement

based on what you posted above.

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Response to MNBrewer (Reply #42)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 07:39 PM

47. Well I suppose I am

But not so much that it effected my ability to tell right from wrong.
And I know clearly that trying to punish bigotry away is not only wrong but foolish...it never works and just sets more people against you by the virtue of it's fundamental unfairness.

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Response to zeemike (Reply #41)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 06:54 PM

43. You weren't going to win them over anyway..

There was plenty of confrontation in the civil rights era, MLK Jr was successful at least in part because Malcolm X and the Black Panthers were right behind him if he couldn't achieve the ends in a less confrontational way..

The gay haters aren't hating any more than they did last month or any less for that matter, what they are doing is showing those who are neither pro nor anti just how irrational they are. I have several of these people in my extended family and you're just going to have to wait for them to die off because they will never change, you will never win their hearts and minds because those their hearts and minds are already full of hate.


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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #43)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 07:31 PM

46. That is total bullshit

I was alive and informed back then in the days of the civil rights...MLK rejected such things completely...he was aware like Gandhi was aware that to attack ideas and beliefs only works against you...
And it was this non violent and wise leadership that made it happen...and he did indeed win over hearts and minds of the population when his completely non violent protest was met with violence...and they did not fight back.
They never went after Lester Maddox...who also had a chicken place...they kept their eyes on the prize and the prize was the legal right to be served in public places...not to destroy bigotry.

What this looks like is that the gay community can't find any actual place where they are discriminated at to protest so they are going after the thought crime...I hope that is not the case but that is what it looks like.
It is a big mistake from the political view...it just rallies the right wing troops.

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Response to zeemike (Reply #46)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 07:45 PM

48. As I pointed out earlier, MLK had Malcolm X and other even more radical blacks behind him..

I know these people, I have them in my own extended family and I hate it because they are totally immune to logic, reason, compassion, and empathy for anyone they don't consider part of their tribe..

Basically after the most recent one I've decided to stop going to family gatherings because it's too damn upsetting to hear the bigots sit there and spout hate about anyone that doesn't look, act and think just like them.. Then if I say anything I'm the one who gets slapped down..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002989233

ETA: Essentially it is impossible to use reason to change someone's mind that never used reason to get to their position in the first place.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #48)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 08:52 PM

54. no the black panthers and Malcom X are not the same thing

And had nothing to do with MLK and the SCLC...MLK was totally opposed to violence and the Black Panthers only fouled up his movement...and was infiltrated by the FBI and had agent provocateurs in their midst. Malcolm X was assassinated because he was trying to do something about the corruption in the Nation of Islam.

The protesters were well trained to not resist or provoke anyone...and that is the reason they were so successful in winning over the country to their cause....After America saw the protesters being beaten and abused by the cops and were clearly not resisting and were completely non violent the public opinion turned against segregation...and it is a simple thing because most people have a sense of fairness...and what they saw on the TV as completely unfair.

I am so sorry to hear it is in your family...that must be tough. But I know that only love can change a heart and you must find some way to still love them without ever giving up your own rights to be yourself....easy to say I know but it is the only way.

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Response to zeemike (Reply #54)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 09:32 PM

57. And yet the background to the SCLC was race riots, five days worth in Washington DC alone..

Black Americans were indeed expressing their anger in that time period.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Washington,_D.C._riots

Crowds of as many as 20,000 overwhelmed the District's 3,100-member police force, and Vice President Hubert H. Humphrey dispatched some 13,600 federal troops, including 1,750 federalized D.C. National Guard troops to assist them. Marines mounted machine guns on the steps of the Capitol and Army troops from the 3rd Infantry guarded the White House. At one point, on April 5, rioting reached within two blocks of the White House before rioters retreated. The occupation of Washington was the largest of any American city since the Civil War. By the time the city was considered pacified on Sunday, April 8, twelve had been killed (mostly in burning homes), 1,097 injured, and over 6,100 arrested. Additionally, some 1,200 buildings had been burned, including over 900 stores. Damages reached $27 million. This can be estimated to be equivalent to over $156 million today.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #57)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 09:59 PM

58. In response to MLK's assassination.

Yes I remember it well...and it was a victory of sorts for the right wing....and started the decline of the country and elected Nixon...so what was gained?...law and order was the right wing meme as a response to it...and Nixon was the law and order man just waiting to exploit it...and exploit it he did...then went to work on the anti war movement using the agent provocateur to incite them to violence so he could crack down on them too.

Once you compromise your principles they win. But they could not get King to compromise his principles of non violence and so he had to die.

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Response to zeemike (Reply #46)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 09:19 AM

71. The gay community is discriminated against daily, by government mostly

So what you are saying is utter bull puckey. We are seeking specific rights, not trying to 'end bigotry'. One of the rights we seek is the right to marry, which happens to have been a right sought in that other civil rights movement as well. I like the way you claim King simply won those hearts and minds, as if he was not murdered for what he did, along with many others.
We seek the right to marry, and internationally we seek the right to simply exist in the face of hate mongers like Cathy and his Ugandan allies. This 'destroy bigotry' thing is your own creation out of whole cloth. That's your phrasing, your concept, your prejudice and your lack of information, not anything others are seeking.
The cavalier attitude you have toward discrimination idicates you face none in your own life to speak of.
One wonders if you are aware that in most Chick Fil A States, it is perfectly legal to discriminate against gay people in employment. Are you aware of that fact?

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #71)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 10:54 AM

77. MLK had the goal of equal treatment in public places.

He did not go after and speak out the owner of the business cause he knew that was futile and would only make a hero out of him.
No they stuck to the goal of equal TREATMENT...and did not get into attacking the ideas these people had.
You did not hear MLK or the civil rights movement speak out against George Wallace ideas or Lester Maddox or even Bull Conner...they knew that was a losing strategy and rejected it...they did speak out about what they DID.

And FYI I have seen the most horrible examples of bigotry...I was in Mississippi in 1965...and there is quite a difference between being denied the right to marry and being denied the right to walk down the same street as a withe man without getting off the sidewalk when he passed...not allowed to vote not allowed to walk down the road without being hit by a club from a pickup truk and it could even be the sheriff that did it...And all of this sanctioned by the local government.
If gay people are attacked it is a crime...then it was no crime to attack a black man.
And black people are still discriminated in employment...and that discrimination cannot be addressed by the law as long as they say that it is not their race that caused them not to hire...the same is true with gay people and in fact there may be discrimination against white people by black people...or religion over atheism or any thing you can name...but you cannot use the law to ferret this out and stop it..it takes a change of heart and no one will change the heart when the perceive that they are in a fight against the enemy.
Equal rights under the law is the only attainable goal...if you chase anything else it is a loser.

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Response to zeemike (Reply #46)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 04:17 PM

81. Let me get this right... you're saying that MLK opposed boycotts. That he opposed calling racists

calling racists racists. Is that what you're saying? MLK opposed the lunch counter sit ins, the Montgomery bus boycott, etc.?

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Response to MNBrewer (Reply #81)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 05:32 PM

82. No he did not oppose boycotts he organized them

And not for the purpose of attacking the owners for what they thought but to get the rights people were entitled to.
They did not do sit ins because of George Wallace's racial beliefs but to get served in public places...the objective was the boycott was to ride the buses and be able to use the waiting room and the bathroom and be served at the lunch counter.
What right are the LGBT community demanding form the chicken place?.... and what could the owner do to make things right?...do you want him to renounce his religious beliefs?.....stop donating money to groups not approved of by LGBT? ....is that the goal?

Should MLK have had a boycott to make Lester Maddox renounce his segregation ideas?...George Wallace and Bull Conner?
Well history would be much different if he had...that much is sure.
When you start to attack people for what they think and say and the only remedy for it is them to renounce it it looks really bad to most people....and I damn sure don't want people to try to force me to STFU...and if they do there will be blow back cause no one likes being intimidated or harassed for what they think....this is not the old Soviet Union.

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Response to zeemike (Reply #82)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 05:49 PM

83. Seems that you're the one telling me to stfu.

IF Mr. Cathy wants to donate to anti-gay organizations and say "guilty as charged", I will boycot his business. Period. I hope he goes bankrupt because of his bigotry, however, he will always have a core business in the Confederacy.

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Response to MNBrewer (Reply #83)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 08:44 PM

84. By all means say anything you want...and let him do the same.

I don't care what you say...I care what you do...same with him.
And when the LGBT community makes a big stink over what he said and then gets officials and politicians to act against him....and that may be all perceptual...that don't matter...that is wrong and sets back everyone on the progressive side and gives solidarity to the right wingers...and it is all for nothing cause it gets you no further on your goal of acceptance...and in fact sets it back. You are fighting for something that has no remedy short of submission of his right to think freely.
Your words do nothing but your actions can do plenty.

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Response to zeemike (Reply #84)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 09:49 PM

85. You say that the LGBT community "gets officials and politicians to act against him"

But that has not happened. Nothing beyond free speech, which is allowable on "our side" as well as his, right? Nothing has been done IN REALITY to ChikFilA beyond sternly worded letters and sound bites. List one thing, one single, tiny thing that has happened to harm CFA done by a public official in an official government capacity because Mr. Cathy is a raging homophobe.

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Response to MNBrewer (Reply #85)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 10:45 PM

86. this is not a court where you have to show evidence of actual harm

This is the court of public opinion...and when you have government officials threatening someone because of their speech it is enough evidence for the public....and rightly so.
You would not require much proof if a government official spoke out against gays now would you?...Would you say that it is OK because he actually did not do anything? no he is in a position of authority that is supposed to treat us all the same....his free speech is limited by that.

The mistake that is made in having two sets of values...and people see through it...once you drop principles for one you drop it for all...so if the chicken man can not say what he wants to say neither can you and neither can I....we are judged by actions not words..and that is how it should be.
Now show me one thing the chicken man did to discriminate and you got a case.

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Response to zeemike (Reply #86)

Sat Aug 4, 2012, 10:14 AM

89. Google WinShape Foundation Retreat Center

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Response to MNBrewer (Reply #89)

Sat Aug 4, 2012, 10:47 AM

92. So what?...it don't mean shit

Does he or dose he not have the right to donate to whom he pleases...and if he does not then do you?
Sure let's go down that road...and the right wing will have the ammunition to fire at us saying that the meme they use that we are authoritarians that want a soviet like state that restricts speech and even thought...

It's a bad idea and one that will really hurt us all....but perhaps if it all turns their way they will let you marry...cause they don't give a shit about that...their chief sociopath Dick Cheney is for it.

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Response to zeemike (Reply #92)

Sat Aug 4, 2012, 11:55 AM

95. He does discriminate. His organizations discriminate.

He can give his money to the KKK for all I care, I still won't eat his sandwiches and will still call him a bigot.

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Response to MNBrewer (Reply #95)

Sat Aug 4, 2012, 12:17 PM

98. If he does then take him to court.

And if the law is not sufficient then your protest is with the legislature not him or his comments or donations or his chicken sandwich.
We are getting punked on this because some took their eyes off the prize and went for the shiny thing.

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Response to zeemike (Reply #98)

Sat Aug 4, 2012, 12:53 PM

100. You're not gay are you?

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Response to MNBrewer (Reply #100)

Sat Aug 4, 2012, 01:42 PM

102. No I am not gay

But my brother is.
But still I must be a homophobes because I don't agree with this...this is the test.

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Response to zeemike (Reply #102)

Sat Aug 4, 2012, 03:59 PM

103. I don't know whether you're a homophobe

But I can pretty well be assured that someone lecturing the gay rights movement from a position of heterosexual privilege isn't what is needed or welcomed.

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Response to MNBrewer (Reply #103)

Sat Aug 4, 2012, 04:10 PM

104. Oh for Christ sakes I give up

You are intent on dividing everyone into for you or against you...If you see a child doing something that is wrong and will have bad results it does not mean you hate children...and it is not lecturing them from your adult privilege to tell them so and explain why.

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Response to zeemike (Reply #41)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 07:59 PM

50. The bus boycott, the Albany movement, the lunch counter sit-ins, the "occupying" of substandard

housing in Chicago, the March on Washington... these were all confrontational.

You may well ask: “Why direct action? Why sit-ins, marches and so forth? Isn’t negotiation a better path?” You are quite right in calling for negotiation. Indeed, this is the very purpose of direct action. Nonviolent direct action seeks to create such a crisis and foster such a tension that a community which has constantly refused to negotiate is forced to confront the issue. - MLK Jr. in his letter from the Birmingham jail


http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/318311/Martin-Luther-King-Jr/3918/The-letter-from-the-Birmingham-jail

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #50)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 08:59 PM

56. Yes it was all confrontational.

But it was about rights not about the sin of bigotry...not about the thought but the acts...you cannot control what people think and if you try it will backfire on you...just as it did with the chicken sandwich.
People should be free to think what they will and others should be free to tell them they are wrong...but when you try to punish them with the government it don't work for you it works against you...it is the actions the law is built on not the thought.

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Response to zeemike (Reply #56)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 11:33 PM

62. Marriage equality is not about rights?

Most of this United States do not offer civil rights protections for the LGBTQ community. Chick-Fil-A, and every business that supports such bigotry do not deserve to exist in the 21st century. They are, indeed, equal to those who opposed civil rights for African Americans for most of our U.S. history.

Currently, because of encoded civil rights protections afforded to race, religion, gender, etc., governments CAN have a remedy against bigotry. King's occupation of Washington DC was a show of force to pass the Civil Rights Act - an action which gave government the tools to punish violators.

I agree that government cannot punish a business for the personal views of their CEOs, employees, affiliates, etc. But I also believe that a government can take action against a business that promotes and financially supports hatred towards a protected class. That is, I believe that the government can (and should) deny a commercial business license to the Aryan Nation and the KKK.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #62)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 07:39 AM

66. Bullshit.

What you are asking for is to turn this country into a authoritarian society that has someone that tells us all what we can and what we cannot think and makes a crime out of it.
Sorry but we have seen this movie before and we know how it turns out...and it is almost as if you have chosen a position the majority of people will reject...that is the punishing of people for thought crimes or giving to a cause deemed homophobic by someone we don't even know....it is a loser but no one will admit to it and if they do they will be called a homophobes because they don't go along with the program and accept the principle of thought crimes.
This will not turn out well.

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Response to zeemike (Reply #66)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 07:42 AM

67. Who has been punished?



Criticism is not punishment..

The right wingers have boycotted everyone from Ford to Disney over gay rights, now they scream because the left is doing exactly what they have been doing for at least a decade.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #67)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 08:16 AM

68. Perception is everything.

And why do you think all those people went out for a chicken sandwich if not for the perception that someone is being attacked for their views?
And it is not at all the exact same thing...if they wold have just boycotted the chicken sandwich there would be no media attention but they were not satisfied with just that and some politicians and you advocated denying the right to make a living to them because you think their thoughts and beliefs merited it.
and it plays right into the right wing narrative that they have been feeding the sheeple with for decades...that liberals are socialist and authoritarian and want to take away your freedom...it is like they wrote the play you are preforming.

It is the wrong fight at the wrong time...and it is frustrating for those of us that can see it...cause if we speak we are labeled the enemy...(that great trap of) you are ether with us or against us...and yet feel the need to tell it like you see it...a duty really, that is not appreciated.
And I see they are gong double down and will continue to draw attention to the chicken sandwich and make the owner more rich and more a victim of the "godless left" that must be defeated at the polls in november....the timing is perfect....and they can get the atheist involved and have a threesome cluster fuck to drive as many as possible away because they see it as a direct attack on religion...again confirming the narrative..

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Response to zeemike (Reply #68)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 08:48 AM

70. I'm by no means a Rahmbo fanboi..

In fact I think Rahm's comments had to be calculated for the effect they had, he's by no means that stupid and knew exactly what he was doing. Rahmbo is no liberal and was deliberately stirring up shit..

There are a great many of us who are just tired of the bullying ways of the religious right, I have them in my own extended family and they piss me off on nearly a daily basis, indeed one of them pissed me off yesterday by being a rude unthinking authoritarian jerk and yet she considers herself a loving caring Christian lady..

The religious right see even the slightest disagreement with their agenda as a full blown attack, they are impossible to satisfy with anything other than total boot-licking submission.





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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #70)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 10:26 AM

76. I will agree with you about Rham.

He knew what he was doing...and had some interest in giving the right wing ammunition to use...
It sure looks to me like a set up game that we got suckered into...and it is dangerous to keep playing this game but somehow they have made that possible too.

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Response to zeemike (Reply #68)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 09:29 AM

72. And yet the only party to this whole story that actually IS discriminated against

by the government is the GLBT community. Cathy has all rights, and no one has prevented him from doing anything. Certainly not the same government that denies us the right to fair treatment under the tax code. Certainly not the States that for the most part allow legal, open discrimination agaisnt GLBT people in employment and in housing. Certainly not the Federal government which refuses to pass a national law making such discrimination illegal.
And this whole thing was started by them. Your theory boils down to this: if we do the right things, they will behave like fuzzy warm puppies, so we have to let them do ALL the talking, uncountered. The theory is usually stated more simply: Sit down and shut up, you pony wanting gay people, it's just one little song, prayer, sandwich, it's just your only life, without liberty, denied the right to pursue happiness.
In your posts, I see a person who has sat aside as millions are mistreated by the government for years, your entire lifetime, and then when some rich bigot gets criticism for his actions and libels, and the governement has done NOTHING to him or his company, you are frothing about rhetoric and some potential harm to Dan Cathy. Just the idea that he might possibly face an injustice seems to be far more important to you than the many actual, past present and ongoin future discriminations the government imposes on your GLBT neighbors daily.
Hard to find a way to see your memes as anythig but pointless and grounded in fear and weakness. That's not how we do things. You might want to just look away.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #72)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 10:16 AM

75. Well I guess I will never convince you that you are doing the WRONG thing

And at the wrong time.
You are making it about religion IN THEIR MIND and they vote...but you feel it is better to get in their face about it now and don't give a shit if it turns many people off when you attack people for their religious beliefs ( and it is there perception of it that matters not yours)
It seems that you don't get that and that I cannot make you see that it is a real thing.
And you cannot reason with people acting out of anger or fear...and that your anger is causing their fear and no one will be able to reason with them ether.
Anger and fear is the whip they use against us...and it works.

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Response to zeemike (Reply #41)

Sat Aug 4, 2012, 10:31 AM

90. Hogwash.

My husband, Martin Luther King Jr., once said, “We are all tied together in a single garment of destiny… an inescapable network of mutuality,… I can never be what I ought to be until you are allowed to be what you ought to be.” Therefore, I appeal to everyone who believes in Martin Luther King Jr.’s dream to make room at the table of brotherhood and sisterhood for lesbian and gay people.

Gays and lesbians stood up for civil rights in Montgomery, Selma, in Albany, Ga. and St. Augustine, Fla., and many other campaigns of the Civil Rights Movement. Many of these courageous men and women were fighting for my freedom at a time when they could find few voices for their own, and I salute their contributions.”

—Coretta Scott King, speaking at the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force’s Creating Change Conference on November 9, 2000.

Full story here: http://www.queerty.com/coretta-scott-king-make-room-at-the-table-of-brotherhood-and-sisterhood-for-gays-20120116/#ixzz22aVCzCFz
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Response to Horse with no Name (Reply #90)

Sat Aug 4, 2012, 10:57 AM

93. And you think he was talking about gays exclusively?

You can't see that "We are all tied together" excludes those that don't think right?...you think that is what it says?

If you want tolerance then you must show tolerance or be a hypocrite...and that include tolerance for unpopular opinions...and this chicken sandwich thing is not about equal rights and the right to marry...the chicken sandwich has nothing to do with that...and neither does the bigoted opinion of it's owner or how he spends his money.

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Response to zeemike (Reply #93)

Sat Aug 4, 2012, 11:11 AM

94. you are a contortionist

Nobody ever tried to deny CFA their right to free speech. Free speech is guaranteed to all,
however, freedom of speech is symbiotic with freedom of expression--and if your free speech condemns someone else s freedom of expression...then you just have to understand that while yes, you have the right to say what you want--the freedom does not extend to the consequences (intended or unintended) of those words. Everyone in the world that wants a chicken sandwich on a Sunday knows that CFA is a religious company. That is fine with just about everyone, even the folks that are gay or support the rights of others to be gay. However, when the proceeds of that chicken sandwich go to actively fight "the homosexual agenda" through anti-gay organizations...that changes the dynamic and it becomes a quest to deny someone else's rights to THEM....instead of one to preserve your own rights. THAT is what this is about--not denying CFA their right to say what they feel.

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Response to Horse with no Name (Reply #94)

Sat Aug 4, 2012, 12:07 PM

97. I am a contortionist?

And then you say you support freedom of speech and then say however and then go on to say that it should be limited?
Show me where his speech kept you from expressing yourself...

The right manipulates the left through emotions...and this is a case of it...and they will continue to exploit this as long as they can keep tweaking those emotions and making you react to them.

I know I will never convince you because you are reacting out of emotions not considered responses...you seem to want your pound of flesh and nothing in logic or reason will stop you.
But carry on..there are still some right wingers that have not been energized by this...double down...and perhaps you can get the atheist to join you and attack religion openly...that should convince the rest that the left wants a soviet style system like the right wing meme says...that will help and I am sure it is in the works to happen before November.

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 06:00 PM

40. Indeed.

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 07:51 PM

49. They shouldn't worry.

Keep eating like that, most of them will be on the south side of the grass soon anyway.

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 08:10 PM

52. They way they are clogging their arteries with chikinshit-fill-a, will they be alive in 40 years?

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 08:41 PM

53. Eat More Cock.

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 11:05 PM

59. +1 brazillion!

So true.

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 11:12 PM

60. Does that really say "race-mixing is commumism"?

~facepalm~

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 11:22 PM

61. And... I stole your phote and FB'd it

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Response to Marrah_G (Reply #61)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 05:48 AM

64. I found it in a link in comments on a blog..

Glad to see it spread more..



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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #64)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 09:34 AM

73. I stole it too, put it to good use...

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 05:56 AM

65. KNR

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 11:42 AM

78. This is kind of embarassing

 

not the opposition, that's to be expected and you can always find opposition to any issue.

But rather that our great ideological battle of the moment is over which fast food restaurant to get fat and die at.

Next up: the death penalty. Supporters go to Taco-Bell. Opponents to McDonalds.

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 12:18 PM

80. I married outside my race

thanks for posting. I saved the photo and will consider posting on FB. I like to keep politics off FB for my Mother's sake. As long as she's alive.

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Sat Aug 4, 2012, 12:55 PM

101. CFA has 2 restaurants in Minnesota

Both locations are on government-owned property. One is in the MSP airport, the other is on the campus of the University of Minnesota. Can the state, as landlord, decide that Chick-fil-a isn't the type of client it wants? Or is it stuck with it?

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