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Thu Aug 2, 2012, 11:37 AM

 

Is the Chick-Fil-A controversy pushing Bain and Romney's tax returns off the front page?

It's way to early to loose site of what's going to help us keep Obama in the White House. COO of Chick-Fil-A is not running for president.

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Reply Is the Chick-Fil-A controversy pushing Bain and Romney's tax returns off the front page? (Original post)
crazyjoe Aug 2012 OP
Lint Head Aug 2012 #1
justiceischeap Aug 2012 #2
bullwinkle428 Aug 2012 #5
progressivebydesign Aug 2012 #11
crazyjoe Aug 2012 #32
cottonseed Aug 2012 #29
pennylane100 Aug 2012 #9
justiceischeap Aug 2012 #25
MADem Aug 2012 #3
Curtland1015 Aug 2012 #4
Ruby the Liberal Aug 2012 #6
nc4bo Aug 2012 #7
freshwest Aug 2012 #8
nc4bo Aug 2012 #10
freshwest Aug 2012 #14
mama-repub Aug 2012 #12
TreasonousBastard Aug 2012 #13
freshwest Aug 2012 #15
longship Aug 2012 #16
LiberalAndProud Aug 2012 #17
freshwest Aug 2012 #18
LiberalAndProud Aug 2012 #19
freshwest Aug 2012 #21
LiberalAndProud Aug 2012 #23
freshwest Aug 2012 #24
LiberalAndProud Aug 2012 #27
freshwest Aug 2012 #30
DearAbby Aug 2012 #20
Liberal_in_LA Aug 2012 #22
The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2012 #26
MrDiaz Aug 2012 #28
LiberalAndProud Aug 2012 #31

Response to crazyjoe (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 11:39 AM

1. The Olympics are pushing all real news off of the front page.

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Response to crazyjoe (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 11:41 AM

2. Please don't suggest that politics is more important than equality

many people can chew gum and walk at the same time. The LGBTQ community has been fighting for equality since the 60's. The DNC just officially adopted equality as part of its platform. This is apropos to the race.

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Response to justiceischeap (Reply #2)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 12:09 PM

5. Word - the OP is just another variation of "Shut up, gays, until after the election!"

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Response to bullwinkle428 (Reply #5)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 12:30 PM

11. No. that's not what the OP was at all.

They were noticing, as most of us were, that the coverage of the Chicken story was waaay out of proportion with regular news. The helicopter coverage of the events did nothing to promote equality... but was another manufactured outrage by the RIGHT.

I think a boycott of the company is great, and I'll never eat there. But the media using this as some sort of flashpoint isn't helping the gay community at all, or helping the people who can and WILL actually do something for equality when in office.

Makes sense to me. You can win the chicken battle, and lose the election to someone that will walk back anything the Democrats have done for equality. It's more of a big picture thing to me...

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Response to progressivebydesign (Reply #11)

Sat Aug 4, 2012, 02:18 PM

32. Couldn't of said it better myself. Thanks

 

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Response to bullwinkle428 (Reply #5)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 04:12 PM

29. The chicken shop issue is a joke. There are better things to put energy towards.

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Response to justiceischeap (Reply #2)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 12:24 PM

9. The two are by their nature, intertwined.

The political arena is where equality can be achieved or denied. It beats fighting in the streets, which I am not opposed to but only as a means of last resort. I think that during a Romney presidency, that might look like a good option for many different groups of people.

He wants to repeal DOMA, ban abortion, put serious barriers in the way of women's access to birth control. He will dismantle many of the social programs that keep the working poor from homelessness and he will hand over control of the country's economy to the bankers and corporations.

Politics are important in that we must stop his political career now, before it starts or it will be too late.

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Response to pennylane100 (Reply #9)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 03:47 PM

25. And every election, the LGBTQ community is told to shut up and sit down

so we don't lose the Dems the election. Dog forbid bigotry, and that's what this coverage has been about whether that is explicitly stated or not, has been in the spotlight. And spotlighting bigotry is always a good thing and never bad. If Obama loses the election, it won't be because Chik-fil-A and its supporters got a few days of news coverage, it will be because people don't go out and vote.

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Response to crazyjoe (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 11:46 AM

3. No. The Dancing Horse puts the "Privileged Few" back on. nt

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Response to crazyjoe (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 11:47 AM

4. Romney's tax returns were on the front page?

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Response to crazyjoe (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 12:11 PM

6. The last thing you want is tax return gate 24/7 for 4 months.

Better to just keep dripping out new headlines every so often to remind people about it than to beat them over the head with it daily. The latter can cause blowback.

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Response to Ruby the Liberal (Reply #6)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 12:14 PM

7. He can run but he can't hide. Romney has a cockroach problem and no RAID.

His liabilities will continue to be examined, discussed and rehashed at the most importune and inconvenient moments.

Dead horse, not dead.

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Response to crazyjoe (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 12:15 PM

8. Yes, the crowds are being drummed up by Beck, etc. and given media attention. That's your answer.

I've been thinking about the similarities over the last day or so. The media is pulling the same stunt they did with the TeaParty in 2010. And we're falling right along with it, giving it the ring of legitmacy, because we find it offensive, rightfully so.

This is one fast food outfit, not a necessity of life no matter how offensive, who are giving money to the wacko groups, but they are not the major source of support. The major support is from hate teevee and radio and the right wing pulpits across this country, from small churches to the mega churches.

There is no crisis being caused by gays or same sex marriage for these people. This is complete media trickery. It has taken focus off the bigger issues about what a Romney presidency would do to this country and the entire thing is nothing but an anti-Obama movement based on what they know these fools will do in the voting booth to keep from going to hell.

This unhealthy restaurant is not the most dangerous voice against gays and same sex marriage out there but the media focus is bringing all the disconnected messages together, to fire up a brainless voting block that will bite us later. J M H O.

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Response to crazyjoe (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 12:27 PM

10. (R)omney, Inc. is scrambling as we speak.

Did a quick Google search.

Sorry for the Politico link but he's stinging and knows that Bain is a Pandora's Box of goodies:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/08/former-paulson-aide-to-handle-bain-defense-for-romney-130839.html

Despite insisting the attacks on his Bain Capital tenure aren't working, Mitt Romney's camp is finally moving to defend him more aggressively, via Buzzfeed.


CBS still yapping:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505245_162-57485236/romneys-ceo-style-rankled-mass-lawmakers/

Former House Speaker Tom Finneran, a Democrat, recalled being "summoned" along with fellow legislative leaders by Romney for a meeting on the state's fiscal crisis early in Romney's term. Romney delivered a PowerPoint presentation brimming with numbers and charts on his plan for fixing the budget. Finneran said it quickly became apparent that Romney was issuing marching orders, not seeking their advice.

"Initially his sense was, 'I have been elected governor, I am the CEO here and you guys are the board of directors and you monitor the implementation of what I say,'" Finneran said. "That ruffled the feathers of legislators who see themselves as an equal branch (of government)."


http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/07/31/13053237-from-bain-record-to-tax-returns-romney-eager-to-put-summer-behind-him?lite

“It’s wishful thinking on the part of the Romney to think it's behind them. They might survive it, but it's not behind them,” said former Rep. Martin Frost of Texas, a Democrat known for his strategic acumen.

Frost said that if he were Romney, he wouldn’t release additional tax returns beyond what’s already been pledged – for fear that there were years in which the former Bain leader paid little to no taxes.

“The Romney people are whistling in the dark if they think the Bain thing will go away,” Frost added.


Now that the RNC opened up his position as Governor of Mass. as being successful, there will be more tidbits to hammer Romney on.

Not going away - we've a long way to go.



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Response to nc4bo (Reply #10)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 12:45 PM

14. Thanks for finding this information, and I hope the campaign uses it, nc4bo.

'...I have been elected governor, I am the CEO here and you guys are the board of directors and you monitor the implementation of what I say...'

This is exactly how he intends to run the entire country, with no supervision, as a business venture. As far as human rights, he doesn't believe in them. Instead of having a POTUS whose administration eliminated DADT, quit defending DOMA, and has endorsed same-sex marriage, we'd have Romney.

Whose church funded an initiative to strike that down and who has shown his gleefully sadistic attitudes toward anyone he sees as different or under his power in any way. This is what we are faced with in this election, and we're all in danger here.

Let the theocracy take over and this polluted chicken joint will be the national model. We've got their words already. We must not let this happen.

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Response to crazyjoe (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 12:32 PM

12. Spam deleted by Neoma (MIR Team)

 

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Response to crazyjoe (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 12:42 PM

13. For a few days, then it's over...

and still a while 'till the election.

There are yet to come another juicy murder, Hollywood divorces, a hurricane and/or huge fire or earthquake, celebrity deaths, expanded war in Syria... All knocking Romney's taxes off the front page for a bit.

Funny how that news cycle works...

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #13)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 01:24 PM

15. Rather predictable, too. Unfortunately, all these guys, the chicken baron, Beck, Fischer and...

The rest of these hatemongering bastards are being paid for every single word they say. It's disgusting. All Koch money, and all set to drive us crazy with fear and outrage. We have to react, but it's a thin line between being played and being effective. The hits are coming so hard at so many people, and the Koch brothers are laughing all the way to the bank.

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Response to crazyjoe (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 01:28 PM

16. You may be right.

It is certainly doing the same here at DU. Not criticizing, but it's kind of true.

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Response to crazyjoe (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 01:33 PM

17. You don't recognize the trend?

The Republican party have three platforms -- don't tax me bro, being the primary, fighting the good fight against the godless heathens (gays, women, immigrants, not WASPs) the second, and exporting our "democracy" at the point of a gun the third. That has been their MO for longer than I care to remember.

If we really talked about the hard issues that face us, their hands are empty. But this tactic resonates with the conservative mindset. They stick with what works.

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Response to LiberalAndProud (Reply #17)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 02:19 PM

18. We need to get the dialogue out of their hands. But they run the media. It's a lunatic asylum.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #18)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 02:54 PM

19. I would be happy with dialogue ... at all.

We have monologists and dittoheads; real conversations -- not so much.

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Response to LiberalAndProud (Reply #19)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 03:05 PM

21. I know, they've relegated debating with Democrats as 'get thee behind me satan.'

And these guys that are pushing it...

I don't think they believe a word of it.

These are dog whistles for the misinformed and emotionally driven voter who have been trained to bark and bite.

Their real targets are always economic, this is just the cover.

JMHO.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #21)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 03:18 PM

23. Truly, my reflections on the state of our union this morning

probably belong in Creative Speculation. I think "these guys" and their godfathers have a cruel grasp of the truth. They find it expedient to create their own reality while diligently digging their virtual bunkers to be ready for the time when the harsh, unretouched truth becomes self evident.

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Response to LiberalAndProud (Reply #23)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 03:38 PM

24. Like global warming and less habitat? Yes, I think they know very well trouble is looming ahead.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #24)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 03:55 PM

27. I watch as this select few hoard our planet's resources and wonder what compels them.

So yes, those things.

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Response to LiberalAndProud (Reply #27)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 04:23 PM

30. I think it's only logical. Knowing what foolishness people can be taken in by, and how eager they

Have proven themselves to turn on each other, they give us hate to feed on and keep our eyes off of them. This is nothing new.

The bread and circuses in Rome were used to inflame the most worthless tendencies of human beings, to keep the commoners out of the way of the patricians. Would someone who had the advantage of knowing history, be willing to submit to the mob? Or seek to protect their lives and their families from them?

That's on the lower and higher levels, as well. Anyone who has the advantage of knowledge, especially as the PTB or whatever they are have, will use it. The knowledge itself is not good or evil, it is neutral. The accumulated data from the internet, satellites, governments, universities, militaries, corporations and the space program are in the hands of a few.

Those who were specialized enough to gather the data will be loyal to those they worked for. Those they worked for will make decisions based on the data. We don't want to believe in social classes, we want to fulfill our destinies as humans and as individuals. We don't give overt, public support to these folks but we do in everything else we do.

What we do for a living is all part of that. I think we are just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. As in the civil war in Spain in the 1930s, the 'good guys,' don't always win. Some of the people did survive the sinking of the Titanic, while many did not. In the plague years in Europe, the same happened.

All of that precludes the ideas of those who do talk about social classes, like socialists and communists. They energized generations to call for a more equal social order. Religion at one time actually played a positive role in movements such as abolition, worker, immigrant, and racial justice, and even the environmental movements. These were all co-opted in the Reagan era. Or maybe earlier, in the 1950s. Certainly they were of no help in the pre-Civil War days or during Jim Crow.

At this point in history, we need to be united more than ever. But every single institution and social organizing mechanism that once united us, has been taken over and is used to destroy that unity. It's very difficult to move past the point of this. Those are just a few thoughts on this.

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Response to crazyjoe (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 03:03 PM

20. No...Patience Grasshopper

this is a self inflicted wound of a thousand cuts. August is a slow month. And Obama team is still focusing on the topic.

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Response to DearAbby (Reply #20)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 03:05 PM

22. lol

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Response to crazyjoe (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 03:51 PM

26. It will blow over pretty quickly. But the controversy over Mitt's tax returns

will not go away.

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Response to crazyjoe (Original post)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 04:07 PM

28. LOL

 

We were the ones giving them attention, and putting their name everywhere, and now it backfired so we just want it to go away. That dude did nothing wrong, all he did was excercise is 1st amendment rights. Those rights are awarded to everyone.

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Response to MrDiaz (Reply #28)

Thu Aug 2, 2012, 04:59 PM

31. I don't think it's accidental that the cfa controversy has made more noise

than the entire ocw movement, or the long Wisconsin Winter. It's typical that free speech is the canard brandished to excuse and justify bigotry. It's also typical that this controversy should dominate the conversation now in these long August days. Overt and militant hatred: you're damn right I'd like to see it go away.

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