The Chick Fil-A "Debate" is Largely Missing the Point

to whomever they wish?

We should continue to denounce their hatred and bigotry.

However it doesn't mean that we shouldn't make people aware of what their sandwich money goes to fund.

Maybe the current Chick-fil-A controversy will help bring these things out.

I was actually annoyed that more progressive people didn't already realize how vile they are. Now they do, and that's a good thing.

I always say

I used to LOVE Marcal products until I found out Kock owns them. Now we only buy Scott's. I also won't buy another Dixie Cup product. Same thing.

your backward ass. Nice going.

See ya later when I go troll Free Republic.

The food is unhealth and needs to be banned. Do we have the right to do that during the 2nd term when we win.

Most people read a declaration that they're anti-gay and immediately say, "Ah, they're anti-gay. No more need to think about them!" But often it's very black/white thinking. "Not with us" means "decidedly against us." "Not friendly" means "rabidly hostile." I was trained for more nuance than that. Makes life messy.

A comment made by a prominent official in an organization about a conference that was held is the basis given for one designation.

A statement of purpose that is boiler-plate Xian and anti-hetero unmarried sex as gay sex is the designation given for another. It's disapproving of a lifestyle choice taken to mean open oppression. I'm not that sensitive.

They're speech crimes. Some official but hardly implemented; some unofficial. I have trouble calling them "anti-gay groups". The groups that ran ads in California. They're antigay. But most of the "anti-gay groups" are 99% something else entirely. I'd resent being defined as the bearer of my left toenail. I don't want others to define me. So what do the anti-gay groups actually do? There's a question. We know they're antigay. We have a label. Labels are user-friendly. But for most of CFA's "crimes" we have little more than speech crimes and labels.

Some got a token amount and those always make me suspicious. They're also the more virulent of the groups, actually doing something as opposed to making quips. But $1000 out of nearly $3 million in donations? That says less "I really support you" and more something else. "Please stop calling me," "I'd like to have booth 8B at the display room at your convention," "Yes, give me a 1/4 page ad in your next newsletter," or "We're having a training and would like a speaker to come and talk to us."

The Family Research Council is one such group. The group does more than anti-gay lobbying, but the claim is that everything it does must be antigay, so the only reason to support it is antigay. This is using a boycott to get a organization to fight an organization that it agrees with, either in whole or in part, because of a single stance. It does nothing to bolster confidence when a pastiche from a 2010 lobbying report that the group filed is posted as the entire document in order to make it sound like the organization supported the Uganda law calling for the death penalty for gays when the content of their lobbying on that point is a matter of public record and better claims could be made concerning what it lobby for. Let's distort what they do and not say what they actually do because, well, the distortion provokes more outrage. What they actually lobbied for I find more distressing. Still, the $1000 2010 donation didn't cover the first quarter's $25k paid to that one lobbyist. I don't like being manipulated or and really disapprove of attempts to manipulate me.

Things like the $1000 to Exodus International ... as far as I know, Exodus International is a solely anti-gay and ex-gay group. Then again, it's been around for 35 years, with most members volunteering to join.

We like nuance. We get nuance. And here we have nuance. Suddenly nuance bad.

Hello everyone! I'm new to this forum and this is my first post.

It seems that what Cathy said in the interview has only confirmed and given an official expression of what Chick Fil-A has been doing for years. Only a year or so ago it was publicized (I believe it was The Huffington Post) that Chick Fil-A gave large donations to-and provided free food for a convention of-the National Organization of Marriage. This was about the time that I started boycotting Chick Fil-A in earnest, even though it shames me to admit that I do miss partaking of their Spicy Chicken Cool Wrap from time to time.