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Wed Aug 1, 2012, 09:00 AM

Obama won PA by 10% or 620,478 votes. New PA Voter ID bill could disenfranchise over 800k voters

Don't get excited about the polls.

I highly doubt that the polling group asked voters the following question - 'Do you have the proper ID required to vote in Pennsylvania based on the new Voter ID Laws'

As long as that heinious voter ID bill stands, Pennsylvania is a threat to go red.


This is what the PA state house majority leader Mike Turzai was quoted as saying about the new PA Voter ID bill

"Voter ID, which is going to allow Gov. Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done"


Not 'Thank god we're stopping all the voter fraud in PA we've uncovered these past decades" (which btw there has been none found). But that this law was created to steal the election for Mitt Romney.

Because left on his own accords Romney does not have what it takes to win Pennsylvania - not by a longshot.

But if you can disenfranchise 800K+ voters in urban areas and of elderly and young people then you can steal an election for a guy who can't win the state outright.

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Reply Obama won PA by 10% or 620,478 votes. New PA Voter ID bill could disenfranchise over 800k voters (Original post)
LynneSin Aug 2012 OP
rfranklin Aug 2012 #1
LynneSin Aug 2012 #2
spanone Aug 2012 #3
rfranklin Aug 2012 #4
BumRushDaShow Aug 2012 #5
LynneSin Aug 2012 #6
HopeHoops Aug 2012 #7
JPZenger Aug 2012 #8

Response to LynneSin (Original post)

Wed Aug 1, 2012, 09:17 AM

1. Justice Department Investigates Pennsylvania Voter ID Law

 

The Justice Department’s Civil Rights Division has launched a formal investigation into whether Pennsylvania’s voter ID law discriminates against minorities, TPM has learned.

In a three-page letter sent to Pennsylvania Secretary of the Commonwealth Carol Aichele on Monday, DOJ requested state data on registered voters as well as the state’s list of individuals with driver’s licenses and ID cards.

Additionally, DOJ requested information on the state’s efforts to educate voters about the new law as well as documents and records supporting a March 14 statement from the office of Gov. Tom Corbett (R) which claimed “99 percent of Pennsylvania’s already have acceptable photo IDs.” (The state’s own data did not support that figure.) Assistant Attorney General Thomas E. Perez requested Pennsylvania send the information to federal authorities within 30 days.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/07/doj_investigates_pennsylvania_voter_id_law.php

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Response to rfranklin (Reply #1)

Wed Aug 1, 2012, 09:18 AM

2. Until someone overturns it - it's the law

I'm hoping it is overturned

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Response to LynneSin (Original post)

Wed Aug 1, 2012, 09:19 AM

3. as junior said....mission accomplished

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Response to LynneSin (Original post)

Wed Aug 1, 2012, 09:23 AM

4. Numbers behind Pa. voter-ID law debated in court

 


Numbers behind Pa. voter-ID law debated in court

July 27, 2012|By Angela Couloumbis, INQUIRER HARRISBURG BUREAU

....Also testifying Thursday was Rebecca Oyler, director of policy at the Department of State, which oversees Pennsylvania elections.

When the voter law was being debated and passed in the legislature, Gov. Corbett and officials in the Department of State said only about 1 percent of voters did not have the types of ID required by the new law.

Then, in July, the department reported that a comparison of PennDot databases and voter rolls showed up to 9 percent of registered voters might be without either valid drivers' licenses or PennDot nondriver IDs. State officials downplayed that number, saying it was likely inflated by various factors, such as thousands of "inactive" voters on the rolls - people who had not voted in more than four years and likely had moved from Pennsylvania.

Oyler, who was called as a witness by the ACLU, acknowledged that more than 1 percent of Pennsylvanians lack the required ID. She also conceded under questioning by the plaintiffs' lawyers that if the law bars some people from voting, it would undermine the integrity of the electoral process. "Yes," Oyler testified, "indeed it would."

http://articles.philly.com/2012-07-27/news/32870331_1_voter-law-form-of-photo-identification-thousands-of-inactive-voters

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Response to LynneSin (Original post)

Wed Aug 1, 2012, 09:37 AM

5. I think that we also tend to assume

that all the disenfranchised would be Democrats. There are trailer parks in Pennsyltucky and in other red rural areas of PA where they wouldn't have the ability to get an ID either, which then suggests election fraud, with the assumption that rethugs would not police their own areas for "voter fraud" (allowing a wink wink vote if the ID is not shown), but would make sure that urban and minority areas are policed.

See this for some stats -

According to the USDA Economic Research Service, the average per-capita income for Pennsylvania residents in 2009 was $40,175, although rural per-capita income lagged at $31,131. Estimates from 2010 indicate a poverty rate of 14.2% in rural Pennsylvania and 13.2% in urban areas of the state. 2010 ACS data reports that 14.5% of the rural population has not completed high school, compared to 12.2% of urban populations. The unemployment rate in rural Pennsylvania is 8.1%, while in urban Pennsylvania it is 7.9% (USDA-ERS, 2011).

http://www.raconline.org/states/pennsylvania.php


I.e., with rethugs, it often ends up backfiring on them!

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #5)

Wed Aug 1, 2012, 09:40 AM

6. I've worked enough Pennsylvania elections to know where the GOP will focus the law

GOP will have volunteers all across the state whose only goal is to challenge questionable voters. You think they'll have these people working the polls out in the middle of nowheresville Pennsylvania?

No they'll focus their efforts in Philly and Pittsburgh where they can get more bang for their buck should the voter ID bill stand.

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Response to LynneSin (Original post)

Wed Aug 1, 2012, 09:50 AM

7. The court debate is not going well for the GOP. They can't defend their action here.

 

There's a lot of coverage of this in the Patriot-News (not so much in their on-line edition). I think we'll at least get an injunction for this November, but that's the first step toward getting it ruled unconstitutional (by the PA constitution).

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Response to LynneSin (Original post)

Wed Aug 1, 2012, 10:16 AM

8. Hundreds of thousands think they have proper ID ...but they don't

Your voter registration name must match your photo ID name. If you use your maiden name as your middle name on one, and your real middle name on the other, they don't match.

Most ID needs a current expiration date. Many photo IDs do not, including many college IDs. A college photo ID from a college in another state also cannot be used. The list goes on.

The fate of the law is now in the hands of one state appeals court judge, who is known to be open minded and not partisan. His decision may stand - because the Republican swing vote in the State Supreme Court is not hearing cases because she has multiple felony corruption charges against her. A 3-3 vote in the State Supreme Court would mean the Commonwealth (intermediate) court decision is final.

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