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Wed Aug 1, 2012, 12:55 AM

Israel's message to Panetta: U.S. can't prevent an attack on Iran

U.S. Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta arrived in Israel last night for a brief visit that will focus on the American-Israeli dispute over whether to attack Iran's nuclear facilities. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Ehud Barak plan to stress that Israel reserves the right to defend itself, and to make its own decision on whether to attack.

Another major topic of discussion will be efforts to prevent Syria's chemical weapons from reaching Lebanon.

A senior government official told Haaretz that even if Jerusalem attacks Iran over Washington's objections, he doesn't think the United States will turn its back on Israel. Israel, he added, must retain sole responsibility for its security.

Panetta's visit comes against the backdrop of a rash of media reports about the possibility of an Israeli strike. In a series of interviews with Israeli television stations on Tuesday, Netanyahu said, "Iran wants to annihilate us. I won't let that happen."


Much more at the link!

Looks like Bibi might be trying to plan his own October Surprise. It's no secret he'd love to put Obama on the spot and have a lackey like Romney swoop in as the "good guy"- not to mention boost Bibi's sagging government.

Problem is, some political stunts can start fires the whole world might have trouble putting out.

PB

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Reply Israel's message to Panetta: U.S. can't prevent an attack on Iran (Original post)
Poll_Blind Aug 2012 OP
woolldog Aug 2012 #1
Comrade Grumpy Aug 2012 #2
DCKit Aug 2012 #3
B Calm Aug 2012 #4
byeya Aug 2012 #11
Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #5
Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #6
bemildred Aug 2012 #8
Poll_Blind Aug 2012 #10
Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #12
Poll_Blind Aug 2012 #13
Marrah_G Aug 2012 #7
truebrit71 Aug 2012 #9

Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Wed Aug 1, 2012, 01:04 AM

1. I doubt it would put Obama on the spot

Obama would simply say that he's gone to every effort to ensure that it didn't come to this, but Iran has defied the international community bla bla bla

He will paint it as a result Iran had in its power to avoid

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Wed Aug 1, 2012, 01:08 AM

2. But we sure as hell could pull the plug on all the assistance!

But we won't.

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Wed Aug 1, 2012, 05:57 AM

3. Oh yay, another war.

 

With Russia and China against US, we can count on record/insane spending.

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Wed Aug 1, 2012, 06:07 AM

4. and Israel is our friend, how?

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Response to B Calm (Reply #4)

Wed Aug 1, 2012, 11:05 AM

11. The USA, like other countries, has permanent interests not permanent friends. Israel has become a

 

problem for the United States and it's not serving our national interests to be the only major nation to write that regime a blank check on thier military forays and to continue to subsidize that government. I agree with your post.

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Wed Aug 1, 2012, 06:46 AM

6. Re: self-delete above

My question was as to why the headline on the Ha'aretz article is vastly different than the wording in your link, but after looking around on the internet it is apparent that the misrepresentation didn't come from you. So I am deleting to remove any implication that you were misrepresenting the headline in your OP. Apologies.

I still don't know why the actual headline and the hyperbolic presentation of it are so different. And it's worth noting that you can futz with those links in all manner of fashion, if you leave the end bit of numbers alone, and still come to the same story:


Israel: Carrot Top To Travel To Space, Bozo The Clown Builds Eiffel Tower Out Of Dryer Lint


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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #6)

Wed Aug 1, 2012, 09:59 AM

8. FYI: Haaretz has been known to edit stories in place.

I've seen headlines change after I posted a number of times, and usually it's to tone them down.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #6)

Wed Aug 1, 2012, 10:27 AM

10. Having posted Haaretz for years I can address that one pretty easily:

They sometimes/frequently (honestly, it's between the two) change their article titles as they edit the story after being posted. Not only that but for at least 8 years or so, Haaretz has also titled the stories differently on their main page than the actual name of the article once you follow the link. They've done this under two different editors and I don't know of any other online papers that do it like that, offhand. It's not 100% of the time but it happens a lot.

This may sound like a hyperbole but it's a based off a real series of articles Haaretz posted years and years ago which typify this sort of thing: On the front page is a link to a story titled something like "Jerusalem mayoral candidate told 'Go climb in an oven!' by political challenger", the actual story at the link is something like "Tommy Lapid says Nazi reference preposterous" and then eight hours later the name of that article may be changed to "Jerusalem mayoral race 'heats up' with 'inflammatory rhetoric'".

Since the old I/P forum had the strictest rules of all of DU, at least tied with LBN, it was something you got used to dealing with. I don't know if you regularly read Jewish newspapers but with the English editions there's a saying which applies: "a shande far di goyim". It basically means "To disgrace one's self in front of gentiles", keeping the subtext of constant persecution of Jews by same for the last 2000 years in mind. So what that boils down to is if there's a scandalous story of any sort that comes out of Israel, the Hebrew version (which doesn't pull any punches) will usually be translated directly into English (including the title) but then later a slightly more decorous headline might be chosen when the story is updated later.

Again, oddly, I don't know of another online newspaper that so regularly has essentially 3 different titles (at least) for the exact same article.

PB

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Response to Poll_Blind (Reply #10)

Wed Aug 1, 2012, 02:58 PM

12. Yeah, after playing with the google it became apparent the wording wasn't coming from you.

I'm wondering if the headline referenced was in the print edition, too.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #12)

Wed Aug 1, 2012, 03:47 PM

13. Apparently it was- and above the fold too! (LINK)

Haaretz

BTW, I don't know if you regularly follow Middle East news but if you do, try comparing the English versions of an Israeli newspaper to their Hebrew counterpart, using Google to translate (unless you happen to speak Hebrew). Most of the news is watered down or omitted entirely for the English/American audience, and then watered down again when the M$M picks it up.

The amount of anti-Semitic insults tossed between warring Israeli religious/social/political groups, alone, is an eye opener.

PB

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Wed Aug 1, 2012, 08:13 AM

7. What should happen is this:

US to Israel: Yes, you can choose whether or not to attack Iran, but if you do so without our agreement do not expect us to back you up with money, troops, tactical assistance or weapons. If you choose to make these decisions on your own, prepare to take the consequences on your own.

This is what should happen. But it won't. For some reason, politicians bend over backwards to not upset Israel. Even Mitt was there praising their tax rates and their socialist medicine.... all the while telling Americans it is the epitome of evil for us to consider it here.

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Wed Aug 1, 2012, 10:01 AM

9. And the U.S. response should be "Fine. You attack Iran, you're on your own".

...that should shut Nutty-Yahoo down pretty quick...

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