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Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 12:23 PM Jul 2012

"White Trash" or "Redneck", which do you prefer?






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Redneck
1 (25%)
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"White Trash" or "Redneck", which do you prefer? (Original Post) Fumesucker Jul 2012 OP
My grandfather identified his Presbyterian Ulster-Scots ancestors HereSince1628 Jul 2012 #1
We called ours "Country" NightWatcher Jul 2012 #2
rest of the song Go Vols Aug 2012 #56
I prefer to be called a hick from the sticks. Odin2005 Jul 2012 #3
I'm one of those too- Bluerthanblue Jul 2012 #19
I resemble that! get the red out Jul 2012 #27
I know it's meant to be amusing but I wish you hadn't posted cali Jul 2012 #4
Redneck isn't all that great either. HappyMe Jul 2012 #5
White Trash is extremely racist Bandit Jul 2012 #7
I haven't read it used as an insult on DU? Fumesucker Jul 2012 #8
What? HappyMe Jul 2012 #13
I didn't say *you* used it, I said I've read it on DU many times.. Fumesucker Jul 2012 #17
I was replying to Bandit. HappyMe Jul 2012 #21
Sorry.. Fumesucker Jul 2012 #22
Sorry, I was replying to the OP...Don't know how it made the reply to you. Bandit Aug 2012 #44
No problem. HappyMe Aug 2012 #45
there's even more to it than that . . . . zazen Jul 2012 #24
The best way to defuse the power of an intended insult is to laugh at it and embrace it.. Fumesucker Jul 2012 #6
I am most comfortable with "Cracker" slackmaster Jul 2012 #9
I should have thought of that, I've actually been to an Atlanta Crackers game.. Fumesucker Jul 2012 #11
I had actually heard of the Atlanta Crackers, but not the Atlanta Black Crackers slackmaster Jul 2012 #12
White trash is different from Redneck flamingdem Jul 2012 #10
Dead dear? Fumesucker Jul 2012 #15
Only those near and deer flamingdem Jul 2012 #31
As a 3rd generation Florida Cracker I feel I am qualified to say white trash can have retread Jul 2012 #20
dear me flamingdem Jul 2012 #29
I remember when Governor Lawton Chiles expressed pride for the "Florida Cracker". mia Aug 2012 #43
Your Redneck Past RandiFan1290 Jul 2012 #14
slack-jawed yokel Enrique Jul 2012 #16
Cletus? Is that you? Fumesucker Jul 2012 #18
George Wallace said we couldn't be rednecks cause of all retread Jul 2012 #23
I think I'd rather be called white trash. LuvNewcastle Jul 2012 #25
+1,000,000 (I like that reasoning) Tom Ripley Aug 2012 #51
Birthbagging, inbred, angry white trash morans is about right. LOL n/t brewens Jul 2012 #26
Just do not call me "trailer trash." RebelOne Jul 2012 #28
My girlfriend actually sells a t-shirt that says, "Mess With Me and Yer Messin' With brewens Jul 2012 #35
Good one. I may want to buy it. n/t RebelOne Aug 2012 #62
Neither loyalsister Jul 2012 #30
My TN understanding of the terms.. 4_TN_TITANS Jul 2012 #32
The term is actually FILTHY rich HereSince1628 Jul 2012 #33
I've always been fond of "white trash." CTyankee Jul 2012 #34
I had to chuckle at your post as I am reminded cordelia Aug 2012 #52
Oh, there's more than enough to go around up here in CT too. CTyankee Aug 2012 #55
Redneck girls are too religious for me so I go with the White Trash girls.... I like 'em. Edweird Jul 2012 #36
I was wondering.....is Hillbilly diff than redneck ? i would say that what I call Hillbilly lunasun Aug 2012 #59
I'm surprised this hasn't been hidden. pintobean Jul 2012 #37
Both terms are used regularly on DU.. Fumesucker Aug 2012 #38
Served on a jury a week ago- alert for "white trash." hay rick Aug 2012 #40
Of course you would libodem Aug 2012 #47
Why? this thread is a civil discussion. RC Aug 2012 #63
Other: Whiteneck. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2012 #39
Quite a few of my family are rednecks-none are white trash. I've known many people proud of being Rowdyboy Aug 2012 #41
Redneck. bluedigger Aug 2012 #42
I like to mix it up. Ganja Ninja Aug 2012 #46
don't forget..."lower than ditch dirt". dixiegrrrrl Aug 2012 #53
I can't choose libodem Aug 2012 #48
i am decended of a long line of scotch irish rednecks arely staircase Aug 2012 #49
Whiskey Tango underseasurveyor Aug 2012 #50
I think "redneck" can be perceived in a good natured, joking way...Calling people "trash" can not. whathehell Aug 2012 #54
Depends on what you're talking about. Island Blue Aug 2012 #57
If I have to pick a term to be used to demean and marginalize me... NewMoonTherian Aug 2012 #58
"Snowbillies" is heard sometimes here in Minnesota. hifiguy Aug 2012 #60
So now that the box is opened up is it okay to use wigger too? snooper2 Aug 2012 #61
"White Trash" is decidedly bigoted, and "Redneck" is just slightly less so. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #64

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
1. My grandfather identified his Presbyterian Ulster-Scots ancestors
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 12:40 PM
Jul 2012

as red-necks. According to him, they actually wore red bandanas or something like that around their necks as a protest.

I don't really have any occasion to use either.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
2. We called ours "Country"
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 12:46 PM
Jul 2012

As in "if that aint country, I'll kiss your ass"

AND THE NEIGHBORS SAID WE LIVED LIKE HICKS
BUT THEY BRUNG THEIR CARS FOR PA TO FIX
ANYHOW
HE WAS VETERAN-PROUD, TRIED AND TRUE
HE'D FOUGHT TILL HIS HEART WAS BLACK AND BLUE
DIDN'T KNOW HOW HE'D MADE IT THROUGH
THE HARD TIMES
HE BOUGHT OUR HOUSE ON THE G.I. BILL
BUT IT WASN'T WORTH ALL HE HAD TO KILL
TO GIT IT
HE DRANK PEARL IN A CAN AND JACK DANIELS BLACK
CHEWED TOBACCO FROM A MAIL POUCH SACK
HAD AN OLD DOG THAT WAS TRAINED TO ATTACK
SOMETIMES
HE'D GET DRUNK AND MEAN AS A RATTLESNAKE
AND THERE WASN'T TOO MUCH THAT HE WOULD TAKE
FROM A STRANGER

THERE WERE THIRTEEN KIDS AND A BUNCH OF DOGS
A HOUSE FULL OF CHICKENS AND A YARD FULL OF HOGS
I SPENT THE SUMMERTIME CUTTIN' UP LOGS FOR THE WINTER
TRYIN' LIKE THE DEVIL TO FIND THE LORD
WORKIN' LIKE A NR FOR MY ROOM AND BOARD
COAL-BURIN' STOVE, NO NATURAL GAS
IF THAT AIN'T COUNTRY, I'LL KISS YOUR ASS
IF THAT AIN'T COUNTRY, IT'LL HAIRLIP THE POPE
IF THAT AIN'T COUNTRY, IT'S A DAMN GOOD JOKE
I'VE SEEN THE GRAND OLE OPRY, AND I'VE MET JOHNNY CASH
IF THAT AIN'T COUNTRY, I'LL KISS YOUR ASS

Go Vols

(5,902 posts)
56. rest of the song
Thu Aug 2, 2012, 04:19 PM
Aug 2012

MAMA SELLS EGGS AT A GROCERY STORE
MY OLDEST SISTER IS A FIRST-RATE WHORE
DAD SAYS SHE CAN'T COME HOME ANYMORE
AND HE MEANS IT
MA JUST SITS AND KEEPS HER SILENCE
SISTER, SHE LEFT 'CAUSE DAD GOT VIOLENT
AND HE KNOWS IT
MAMA SHE'S OLD FAR BEYOND HER TIME
FROM CHOPPING TOBACCO AND I'VE SEEN HER CRYIN'
WHEN BLOOD STARTED FLOWIN' FROM HER CALLOUSED HAND
AND IT HURT ME
SHE'D JUST KEEP WORKIN' TRYIN' TO HELP THE OLD MAN
TO THE END OF ONE ROW AND BACK AGAIN
LIKE ALWAYS
SHE'S BEEN THROUGH HELL SINCE JUNIOR WENT TO JAIL
WHEN THE LIGHTS GO OUT SHE AIN'T NEVER FAILED
TO GET DOWN ON HER KNEES AND PRAY
BECAUSE SHE LOVES HIM
TOLD ALL THE NEIGHBORS HE WAS OFF IN THE WAR
FIGHTIN' FOR FREEDOM, HE'S GOOD TO THE CORE
AND SHE'S PROUD
NOW OUR PLACE WAS A GRAVEYARD FOR AUTOMOBILES
AT THE END OF THE PORCH THERE WAS FOUR STACKS OF WHEELS
AND TIRES FOR SALE FOR A DOLLAR OR TWO
CASH

THERE WAS FIFTY HOLES IN AN OLD TIN ROOF
ME AND MY FAMILY WE WAS LIVIN' PROOF
THE PEOPLE WHO FORGOT ABOUT POOR WHITE TRASH
AND IF THAT AIN'T COUNTRY, I'LL KISS YOUR ASS
IF THAT AIN'T COUNTRY, IT'LL HAIRLIP THE POPE
IF THAT AIN'T COUNTRY, IT'S A DAMN GOOD JOKE
I'VE SEEN THE GRAND OLE OPRY, AND I'VE MET JOHNNY CASH
IF THAT AIN'T COUNTRY, I'LL KISS YOUR ASS
I'M THINKING TONIGHT OF MY BLUE EYES
CONCERNING THE GREAT SPECKLED BIRD
I DIDN'T KNOW GOD MADE HONKY-TONK ANGELS
AND WENT BACK TO THE WILD SIDE OF LIFE

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
4. I know it's meant to be amusing but I wish you hadn't posted
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 01:05 PM
Jul 2012

this. The phrase "white trash" makes me want to puke.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
13. What?
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 01:22 PM
Jul 2012

I don't know what the hell you are talking about.

I don't use 'redneck' or 'white trash'. Ever.

zazen

(2,978 posts)
24. there's even more to it than that . . . .
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 01:45 PM
Jul 2012

On the surface, the racist implication from the way it's linguistically framed is/was that whites were inherently superior to blacks, and thus had to be distinguished between acceptable whites and non-acceptable whites, implying that blacks do not deserve such a distinction.

However, among the very paternalistic racists with whom I grew up in coastal NC, the usage of the term white trash (which was a moral more than an economic judgment--"trashy" is different than "common&quot connoted an admission that there were clearly some blacks better than some whites. Now, that's still racist, and probably more insidious, but in changing attitudes I think it's important to realize that some whites are attached to them because they really feel on some level that they're doing the right thing--that they're being _elitist_ and meritocratic, not racist. The coastal NC whites I knew proudly knew "good" blacks (the whole Booker T Washington be a credit to your race thing) and would praise them to the skies as opposed to that "white trash," who were all the more trashy because, being white, they had less of an excuse. That's even more insidiously racist--but, hey, that's how it works/ed.

Of course I don't agree with any of this crap, but I think it's important for non-Southerners to realize the code of the old Southern gentry to better deal with it.



Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
6. The best way to defuse the power of an intended insult is to laugh at it and embrace it..
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 01:14 PM
Jul 2012

Put your amusement in the insulter's face, very few of them have the slightest clue what to do then.

I read "white trash" on DU quite often when it's obviously used to be insulting..

Well, I resemble that remark, my home actually does have wheels under it.

flamingdem

(39,312 posts)
10. White trash is different from Redneck
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 01:19 PM
Jul 2012

Redneck implies country, gun rack, dead dear hanging in yard, beer

White trash implies poverty, limited education, and is a little offensive for this reason

retread

(3,761 posts)
20. As a 3rd generation Florida Cracker I feel I am qualified to say white trash can have
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 01:41 PM
Jul 2012

dead dear hanging in yard also!!

flamingdem

(39,312 posts)
29. dear me
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 02:09 PM
Jul 2012

!

but seriously did you ever have a dead deer hanging up in your yard, did the homeowners association complain?

mia

(8,360 posts)
43. I remember when Governor Lawton Chiles expressed pride for the "Florida Cracker".
Wed Aug 1, 2012, 01:35 AM
Aug 2012

The last time I saw deer hanging from trees (actually telephone poles) was in New Jersey. Hunterdon County was full of deer back In the 60's. They would run into the back yards for safety during hunting season and bound across country roads right in front of the cars.

I've only heard "redneck" used as term of derision.


LuvNewcastle

(16,843 posts)
25. I think I'd rather be called white trash.
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 01:57 PM
Jul 2012

I think of a redneck as someone who is bigoted and ignorant and proud of it. Calling someone white trash implies that he has questionable morals. I'd rather be immoral than bigoted.

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
28. Just do not call me "trailer trash."
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 02:07 PM
Jul 2012

I resent that term. I live in a mobile home park and every time I hear the term "trailer trash," my blood boils.

brewens

(13,564 posts)
35. My girlfriend actually sells a t-shirt that says, "Mess With Me and Yer Messin' With
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 08:50 PM
Jul 2012

the Whole Trailer Park". She runs our custom shirt business and sell a fair number of those.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
30. Neither
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 02:10 PM
Jul 2012

"white trash" is racist.

I think "redneck" has less offensive origins, but it seems to have been turned into an insult.

4_TN_TITANS

(2,977 posts)
32. My TN understanding of the terms..
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 02:36 PM
Jul 2012

and my wife has both in her family. Rednecks aren't always the sharpest tools in the shed, but are generally honest and quick to lend a hand. I guess you could say simple folk.

White trash are people of no benefit or use to society in general. Like trash, they are discarded by their communities for being useless parasites. Now if we could introduce the term Rich Trash....

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
33. The term is actually FILTHY rich
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 04:13 PM
Jul 2012

and that has more to do with what a rich person does with money than the amount of money they have.

The filthy rich stink with the smell of their greed. Their compassion is made measly by their enjoyment of being in a better place than everyone else.

CTyankee

(63,901 posts)
34. I've always been fond of "white trash."
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 04:34 PM
Jul 2012

I refer to white trash when they are racist and crude. I knew a few growing up in segregated Texas...

cordelia

(2,174 posts)
52. I had to chuckle at your post as I am reminded
Thu Aug 2, 2012, 03:42 PM
Aug 2012

of all the racist cretins I've had to work on projects with over the years in CT, NY, MA, OR, WA, MN, SC, FL, GA, UT, CA, etc.


CTyankee

(63,901 posts)
55. Oh, there's more than enough to go around up here in CT too.
Thu Aug 2, 2012, 04:07 PM
Aug 2012

Up here we just don't use that term. "Racist trash" serves just as well as far as I'm concerned...

 

Edweird

(8,570 posts)
36. Redneck girls are too religious for me so I go with the White Trash girls.... I like 'em.
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 09:01 PM
Jul 2012

Myself, I'm just sort of a trashy Low Life that happens to be from Tennessee. I'm definitely not a Redneck - the last crew from Tennessee I worked with called me 'Yankee', LOL. Of course, they were Hillbillies, so their standards were kinda high in that regard.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
59. I was wondering.....is Hillbilly diff than redneck ? i would say that what I call Hillbilly
Thu Aug 2, 2012, 04:25 PM
Aug 2012

is NOT necessarily white trash that's for sure
but that is my own personal lingo dictionary

Redneck signs/ jokes are they OK here??

like YMBARI:

You believe you got a set of matched luggage if
you have two shopping bags from the same store

or
You think a stock tip is
advice on worming' your hogs.
????

I do think it is nasty and /or classist ,whatever to sell those trick teeth to kids that say "redneck teeth" or Billy Bob teeth and are all brown and broken for Halloween or in machines
that is just nasty and MEAN
AND POOR HEALTHCARE IS NO joKE

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
38. Both terms are used regularly on DU..
Wed Aug 1, 2012, 12:08 AM
Aug 2012

The difference being that when they are used here most of the time it's as an insult where I'm being humorous in a tongue in cheek way..

To the best of my knowledge I've never seen such either term hidden even when used as an insult.

hay rick

(7,603 posts)
40. Served on a jury a week ago- alert for "white trash."
Wed Aug 1, 2012, 12:17 AM
Aug 2012

It was a Bristol Palin thread. Jury voted 5-1 to leave it. I was with the majority.

Rowdyboy

(22,057 posts)
41. Quite a few of my family are rednecks-none are white trash. I've known many people proud of being
Wed Aug 1, 2012, 01:18 AM
Aug 2012

called redneck but never one who appreciated being referred to as "white trash"... The first term is classist, the second racist, both are wrong but second is far worse imho.

Ganja Ninja

(15,953 posts)
46. I like to mix it up.
Thu Aug 2, 2012, 01:32 PM
Aug 2012

Hicks, Rubes, Sod Busters, Stump Jumpers, Ridge Runners, Weed Benders, Swamp Stompers it's an endless list of possibilities.

libodem

(19,288 posts)
48. I can't choose
Thu Aug 2, 2012, 03:25 PM
Aug 2012

I do think it is an interesting topic for discussion. Poor white trash and red necks are a fact of life.
Live and let live.
Call it as you see it.
Judge not, lest Ye be judged?

I don't have a pat answer. Seems like this needs a term paper essay.

Not talking about it and hiding from it doesn't make the answers to this problem any clearer.

Some folks might pick either of those terms as a 'lifestyle', and embrace it.

Is no one else home watching Maury?

whathehell

(29,060 posts)
54. I think "redneck" can be perceived in a good natured, joking way...Calling people "trash" can not.
Thu Aug 2, 2012, 04:00 PM
Aug 2012

It's an ugly term that, for most of the twentieth century

was rarely, if ever used in America outside of the South or/Southwest.

It didn't start coming into the vernacular in the North until the late Eighties,

starting, it seems, with Hate Radio.

I've always thought it was elitist, mean, and deeply Un-American.

NewMoonTherian

(883 posts)
58. If I have to pick a term to be used to demean and marginalize me...
Thu Aug 2, 2012, 04:20 PM
Aug 2012

I guess "redneck" rolls off the tongue better.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
60. "Snowbillies" is heard sometimes here in Minnesota.
Thu Aug 2, 2012, 04:29 PM
Aug 2012

Doesn't imply anything other than craziness and/or ignorance, regardless of class. As in "Michele Bachmann's district is full of snowbillies."

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
61. So now that the box is opened up is it okay to use wigger too?
Thu Aug 2, 2012, 04:42 PM
Aug 2012

I mean shit, why just ban certain words?

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
64. "White Trash" is decidedly bigoted, and "Redneck" is just slightly less so.
Sat Aug 3, 2013, 03:46 PM
Aug 2013

They are, in fact, racist and are often used to discriminate against or bash based on class, region, and (to be sure) skin color.

It's never funny, it's never "OK".

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