HomeLatest ThreadsGreatest ThreadsForums & GroupsMy SubscriptionsMy Posts
DU Home » Latest Threads » Forums & Groups » Main » General Discussion (Forum) » Poverty in America: Why C...

Sun Jul 29, 2012, 09:39 AM

Poverty in America: Why Can’t We End It?

Poverty in America: Why Can’t We End It?

By PETER EDELMAN

<...>

The first thing needed if we’re to get people out of poverty is more jobs that pay decent wages....This isn’t a problem specific to the current moment. We’ve been drowning in a flood of low-wage jobs for the last 40 years. Most of the income of people in poverty comes from work. According to the most recent data available from the Census Bureau, 104 million people — a third of the population — have annual incomes below twice the poverty line, less than $38,000 for a family of three...Half the jobs in the nation pay less than $34,000 a year, according to the Economic Policy Institute. A quarter pay below the poverty line for a family of four, less than $23,000 annually...It’s not that the whole economy stagnated. There’s been growth, a lot of it, but it has stuck at the top...Low-wage jobs bedevil tens of millions of people. At the other end of the low-income spectrum we have a different problem. The safety net for single mothers and their children has developed a gaping hole over the past dozen years. This is a major cause of the dramatic increase in extreme poverty during those years. The census tells us that 20.5 million people earn incomes below half the poverty line, less than about $9,500 for a family of three — up eight million from 2000.

Why? A substantial reason is the near demise of welfare — now called Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, or TANF. In the mid-90s more than two-thirds of children in poor families received welfare. But that number has dwindled over the past decade and a half to roughly 27 percent.

One result: six million people have no income other than food stamps. Food stamps provide an income at a third of the poverty line, close to $6,300 for a family of three. It’s hard to understand how they survive.

At least we have food stamps. They have been a powerful antirecession tool in the past five years, with the number of recipients rising to 46 million today from 26.3 million in 2007. By contrast, welfare has done little to counter the impact of the recession; although the number of people receiving cash assistance rose from 3.9 million to 4.5 million since 2007, many states actually reduced the size of their rolls and lowered benefits to those in greatest need.

- more -

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/29/opinion/sunday/why-cant-we-end-poverty-in-america.html



16 replies, 1324 views

Thread informationRemove bookmarkTrash this thread

Reply to this thread

Back to top Alert abuse

Always highlight: 10 newest replies | Replies posted after I mark a forum
Replies to this discussion thread
Arrow 16 replies Author Time Post
Reply Poverty in America: Why Can’t We End It? (Original post)
ProSense Jul 2012 OP
bemildred Jul 2012 #1
ProSense Jul 2012 #2
bemildred Jul 2012 #3
Sirveri Jul 2012 #13
TransitJohn Jul 2012 #4
HiPointDem Jul 2012 #11
Hydra Jul 2012 #12
Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #5
99Forever Jul 2012 #6
arely staircase Jul 2012 #7
Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2012 #8
The Magistrate Jul 2012 #9
dembotoz Jul 2012 #10
Bonobo Jul 2012 #14
bhikkhu Jul 2012 #16
mick063 Jul 2012 #15

Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sun Jul 29, 2012, 10:02 AM

1. We don't want to give people money just because they need it.

That's why we "can't end it". It wouldn't even take that much.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to bemildred (Reply #1)

Sun Jul 29, 2012, 10:15 AM

2. If they

"We don't want to give people money just because they need it."

...increased the minimum wage to anywhere from to $12 per hour, they could make a significant dent in reversing the poverty trend.

The fight against such an increase is to keep tens of millions of people in poverty.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ProSense (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 29, 2012, 10:17 AM

3. There are lots of things we could do if we actually wanted to.

That is one.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ProSense (Reply #2)

Mon Jul 30, 2012, 01:12 AM

13. They would simply raise prices to make it like they never got the raise.

The best solution is to tax the rich. Tax the ever living shit out of them. Income cap level of taxation. Then they can't extract all the wealth from their company, that leaves them four options. Voluntarily raise wages. Buy upgrades for their facilities. Give the money to the government (who could then give it to the poor). Lower prices (effectively raising everyones wages).

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sun Jul 29, 2012, 10:18 AM

4. Because we live under capitalism, which requires poverty. eom

n/t

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to TransitJohn (Reply #4)

Sun Jul 29, 2012, 03:56 PM

11. +1

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to TransitJohn (Reply #4)

Sun Jul 29, 2012, 10:07 PM

12. Simple and elegant

and so very damning.

+1000

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sun Jul 29, 2012, 10:27 AM

5. Minimum wage is going to be the prevailing wage. Raise it while there's still time. K&R n/t

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sun Jul 29, 2012, 10:30 AM

6. It isn't that difficult to understand.

The 1%ers don't give a rat's ass about "helping the poor." They own our government.

Duh.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sun Jul 29, 2012, 10:31 AM

7. there is no collective will to do so

this is due to several factors. one is the fact that this country was founded by calvinists who believed in that material success was the sign of a good christian who was going to heaven. another reason is the fact we have allowed our public airwaves to be completely dominated by pro-corporate anti progressive entities that pump out slanted propaganda 24/7.

IMHO

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sun Jul 29, 2012, 10:52 AM

8. Communities can help each other

for jobs looking out for an unemployed neighbor, friends or relative. helping them find work. There are jobs out there even if it means travelling. People can look out for each other.

We need for job training centers and vocational training in schools so that children can learn trades as well as their core studies. Many students are not prepared for the workplace. Students should be allowed to do paid internships in companies, hospitals, government from age 15 with a view to becoming employed.

Austria’s strategy of offering labour traineeships and school education simultaneously to young people was the best way to get through the unemployment crisis. The country’s schools have been cooperating with its economy like this for years.
http://austriantimes.at/news/Business/2012-04-03/40671/Unemployment_remains_low

US minimum wage should be raised to $10 (UK minimum wage) or more.

also worth a look:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/21/poverty-rises-despite-end-of-recession_n_1023946.html
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-07-25/companies-say-3-million-unfilled-positions-in-skill-crisis-jobs.html

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sun Jul 29, 2012, 03:24 PM

9. They Used To State It More Openly, Ma'am

Last edited Sun Jul 29, 2012, 03:26 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

In the immortal words of utility baron Samuel Insull: "My experience is that the greatest aid to efficiency of labor is a long line of men waiting at the gate."

"Romney loves America like a tick loves a dog."

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sun Jul 29, 2012, 03:35 PM

10. america loves to have a dog to kick

someone who you can point to and say THOSE FOLKS about

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Jul 30, 2012, 01:19 AM

14. As my old Poli sci Professor used to say....

"Never forget that the cure for Poverty is money."

We COULD end poverty and it isn't complicated. The answer is money.

Now what is the REAL question?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Bonobo (Reply #14)

Mon Jul 30, 2012, 01:26 AM

16. What is money?

- a proxy for labor, or resources, or material goods in general? If so, how should it be fairly distributed, and to what extent should there be a "right to money" (another way of saying a "right to survive") independent of labor, resources and so forth?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Jul 30, 2012, 01:25 AM

15. This is because of Fox News.

The official Fox line:

The poor are the reason America is failing. We can only recover by helping the rich. The rich will float the boat so that everyone will prosper.


Ronald Reagan, their deity, thrived politically with this message. Then we saw the grand scheme come to fruition in 2008. The year of the "no holds barred" giveaway of taxpayer money to the men with golden parachutes.

And it seems that it wasn't an eye opener for half of our country. Only Fox News can keep so many folks unenlightened. Only the avid Lemming followers of Fox news are still sold on a concept proven to be deadly to our American way of life..

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink

Reply to this thread