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Sun Jan 1, 2012, 11:38 PM

Glenn Greenwald Jokes about President Obama Raping a Nun

Glenn Greenwald Jokes about President Obama Raping a Nun

After President Obama signed the NDAA, Glenn Greenwald took to Twitter to highlight the ACLU's response statement. Blogger Angry Black Lady took issue with Greenwald and Emptywheel's characterization of the law.

When a Greenwald fan interjected with a horrific statement suggesting that Angry Black Lady would defend the president if he raped a nun on TV, Greenwald joined in and amplified that disgusting and offensive imagery instead of ignoring it or rebuking it.

A wide range of Twitter users were outraged at the offensive tweets about the president raping a nun, but Greenwald dodged accepting any responsibility for participating in such vile conversation, and several of Greenwald's most ardent admirers doubled down and insisted the statements were perfectly acceptable, while attacking Angry Black Lady for not being able to take a joke. Repellent.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sun Jan 1, 2012, 11:39 PM

1. glen being glen

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Response to dionysus (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 1, 2012, 11:44 PM

3. He

makes a habit of doing crap like this. Just like his calling a DUer "simple-minded" in his recent article. Why is he so focused on Obama supporters?



He did apologize:

I affirm my distaste for photographic leader-glorification, but I'll rescind my invocation of Leni Riefenstahl as too inflammatory & extreme

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/12/05/925827/-Glenn-Greenwald-Apologizes,-and--




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Response to ProSense (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 1, 2012, 11:47 PM

4. That explains the wagon-circling around the poor picked-on fella.

Did he actually lose a job or his media outlet, or do some people just hate it when Obama-bashers meet with some pushback?

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Response to ProSense (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 1, 2012, 11:55 PM

15. I remember that well. The photo-diarist was chased off that site the vitriol got so bad.

 

All she did was post photo diaries of President Obama, his family, and those around him.

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Response to banned from Kos (Reply #15)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:02 AM

26. It was a "she". The Obama bashers are fighting a Potemkin village constructed by the likes of GG.

 

Its like running in place, in fact. Never going anywhere.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 1, 2012, 11:55 PM

17. Hey, which DUer did he call simple-minded?

Was that on Twitter, too?

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Response to Major Hogwash (Reply #17)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:11 AM

38. Nope, it was in a full-fledged opinion column on Salon...

You will find it in this paragraph:

"Worse still is the embrace of George W. Bush’s with-us-or-against-us mentality as the prism through which all political discussions are filtered. It’s literally impossible to discuss any of the candidates’ positions without having the simple-minded — who see all political issues exclusively as a Manichean struggle between the Big Bad Democrats and Good Kind Republicans or vice-versa — misapprehend “I agree with Candidate X’s position on Y” as “I support Candidate X for President” or “I disagree with Candidate X’s position on Y” as “I oppose Candidate X for President.” Even worse are the lying partisan enforcers who, like the Inquisitor Generals searching for any inkling of heresy, purposely distort any discrete praise for the Enemy as a general endorsement."

The word "simple-minded" is actually a link to a DU post, here's the link to the column:

http://www.salon.com/2011/12/31/progressives_and_the_ron_paul_fallacies/singleton/

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Response to Spazito (Reply #38)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:41 AM

56. Wow, that was extraordinarily long and bad. The logic he used was like following a spaghetti noodle.

We need to get ahold of Rachel Maddow tomorrow morning and fill her in on this creep.
There's no way I'm going to let him get away with going after Mineral Man like that.
For one thing, he is wrong.

For another, one of the problems we regular people have by posting here is knowing that someone else might read what we say here, and then give it more attention by putting it into the spotlight than what we originally planned for it to have.

It looks to me like this creep was trying to silence Mineral Man by using his position at salon dot com.
Not the other way around as he was accused here at DU the other day.

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Response to Major Hogwash (Reply #56)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:50 AM

63. What is even more mindboggling is that...

what an anonymous poster said on one forum among the multitude caused such angst in Mr. Greenwald, especially as the post by said anonymous "Mineral Man" poster was all about protection of free speech for both Mr. Greenwald and the poster.



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Response to dionysus (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:46 AM

61. Glen being a gigantic dick is more like it.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sun Jan 1, 2012, 11:41 PM

2. Can we merge all of these Greenwald threads together?

GD is becoming the Glenn Greenwald/Ron Paul forum.

I'm sure Greenwald and Paul are enjoying all of the publicity, Prosense.

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Response to girl gone mad (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 1, 2012, 11:50 PM

9. There isn't a move/merge option on DU3,

the only option on is a Lock by Hosts or a Hide by Jury n/t

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Response to girl gone mad (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 1, 2012, 11:51 PM

10. Maybe

"GD is becoming the Glenn Greenwald/Ron Paul forum. I'm sure Greenwald and Paul are enjoying all of the publicity, Prosense."

...they should be limited to the those hyping Ron Paul for his "good" propaganda?

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Response to ProSense (Reply #10)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:19 AM

46. Okay.

Clearly I'm not as versed in propaganda as you are, or this post might make sense to me.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sun Jan 1, 2012, 11:47 PM

5. "A wide range of Twitter users were outraged"

It would be news if a wide range of twitter users WEREN'T outraged.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sun Jan 1, 2012, 11:48 PM

6. And the smears continue.

Which popular & effective progressive talking head or politician shall we sacrifice to the Gods of the RW Coproratocracy next? Hmmm?

And make no mistake - These are sacrifices. Human sacrifices. With all the blood & evil that goes with them.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #6)

Sun Jan 1, 2012, 11:50 PM

8. Maybe we should just admit that we lost this one to the MoRon's.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #6)

Sun Jan 1, 2012, 11:55 PM

18. Two days ago

Greenwald was being "attacked" by those who wanted to "silence" him.

Now he's a human sacrifice.

The OP quotes his own words. How is that a "smear"?

As I've read many, many times on DU, "Words have meaning." Yes, they do. Including Greenwald's.

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Response to Summer Hathaway (Reply #18)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:06 AM

35. Greenwald certainly won't suffer.

But millions of Americans will suffer greatly if either A) Obama loses support among liberals & progressives and thus loses the election or B) Obama wins but continues with the center-right economic course for the country that has brought it to the brink of ruin, all the while having nothing but a big "Fuck You!" to all his erstwhile supporters on the Left.

If you want to help the GOP nominee in 2012, by all means keep pushing Obama to the Right.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #35)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:17 AM

45. Funny how the economy is recovering under the policies you insist are disasterous.

No, you're right, let's let an angry, completely irrational left wing blogger who doesn't even represent mainstream liberals, let alone all Democrats or a majority of the American public, define what the President of the United States should do.

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Response to TheWraith (Reply #45)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:19 AM

47. Still pushing the recovery story?

At this point, it's just sad.

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Response to girl gone mad (Reply #47)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 01:09 AM

69. Your attempt to spin away success is not working.

Given rising employment numbers, falling unemployment, and increased consumer confidence, the "There's no recovery!!" screeds are increasingly hollow.

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Response to TheWraith (Reply #69)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 09:16 AM

128. There is and has been no recovery.

Not for the American middle class, not for the productive classes, not for the 99%.

You can go on ignoring the economic hardship of millions of your fellow Americans if you like, but I find it rather obscene.

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Response to TheWraith (Reply #45)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:56 AM

65. where do you see it recovering?

 

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Response to baldguy (Reply #35)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:43 AM

59. Meaning?

If I have a low opinion of Greenwald (which I do), I am pushing Obama to the right?

Sorry, but I am just not understanding what your response has to do with the discussion at hand.

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Response to Summer Hathaway (Reply #59)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:56 AM

64. This isn't about Greenwald.

It's about DC-centered Dem party insiders marginalizing every progressive voice that comes along & going out of their way to appease the RW. That seems to be the basic Obama Admin policy, and it's extended & dampened the recovery. Greenwald & others correctly criticize Obama for this and the many other non-progressive policies this admin has taken. We should recognize this and not just attack the messenger.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #64)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 01:08 AM

68. Being as this is a thread about Greenwald

I thought that's what the discussion was about.

Anyway, I don't agree with any of your assessment of the Obama administration. But there won't be any mind changing going on either way, so I'll leave it at that.

As for Greenwald, he is not being "attacked" as the messenger of disagreement with Obama's policies.

I know you've seen the many threads on this topic. What is being brought to the fore is Greenwald's playing fast and loose with the facts, 'joking' about how Obama supporters would excuse Obama if he raped a nun, promoting the "good side" of a homophobic racist like Ron Paul - you're read the quotes cited (Greenwald's own words) as well as I have.

Perhaps people here are just piling on Greenwald because they want him to be "held accountable", make him a better journalist by "holding his feet to the fire" ... and so on.

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Response to Summer Hathaway (Reply #68)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 01:23 AM

72. So, a second-rate pundit can be "held accountabe" but the President of the United States can't?

We should just shut up when Obama orders an American citizen to be executed, and when he signs a law making it OK to put people in prison forever - all without the legal niceties of being charged with a crime or having a trial?

I don't think so.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #72)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 01:38 AM

74. I thought you might find it amusing

to see the same phrases used re Greenwald that are used about Obama all the time. Apparently not.

What IS apparent is that you are in no state (temporary or otherwise) to engage in productive, or even remotely on-point, discussion.



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Response to Summer Hathaway (Reply #74)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 02:19 AM

87. If you have a valid criticism of Greenwald, rather than these ad hominem attacks, then post it.

Or do you really think he's been unfair and that Obama is undeserving of any criticism?

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Response to baldguy (Reply #87)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 02:33 AM

95. Again

this thread is a discussion about Greenwald - but you keep insisting on changing the subject. One wonders why.

I have posted my criticisms of Greenwald. And they really don't have much to do with his assessment of Obama's presidency.

What they do have to do with is his unethical behavior as a "journalist".

And you know exactly what I'm talking about - because you've posted on several threads on the topic.

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Response to Summer Hathaway (Reply #95)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 02:48 AM

101. Thought so.

You're so busy attacking a good progressive columnist like Greenwald that can't be bothered to come up with a valid reason for the attack.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #101)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 02:58 AM

104. A "good progressive columnist"

who has praised Ron Paul.

Who has joked about Obama supporters being willing to excuse him if he raped a nun.

Who has said the SCOTUS "finally got something right" when they decided in favor of Citizens United.

Don't play coy. You've seen the threads citing the complaints about Greenwald - if you want to keep pretending they don't exist, or that his own words don't exist, that's fine.

I expected nothing different.

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Response to Summer Hathaway (Reply #104)

Sun Jan 8, 2012, 04:48 PM

156. Sorry, but you are just making things up here

Glenn Greenwald has never praised Ron Paul, he HAS pointed out the disturbing fact that some of Paul's positions on issues such as war and civil liberties are significantly to the left of all the other candidates, including Obama. Any "praise" has been focused on Ron Paul's opposition to certain long standing government policies, and has not been aimed at the man himself or any of his proposed solutions to those issues.

http://www.salon.com/2012/01/05/democratic_party_priorities/singleton/

He never joked about rape. In fact, it was just the opposite. If you look at the screen capture of the actual Twitter conversation, he flatly states that he was using rape to illustrate how extreme some of Obama's most ardent supporters can be.



His opinion about Citizen's United isn't nearly so simplistic as you attempt to make it.

http://www.salon.com/2010/01/22/citizens_united/

As far as the "rape" discussion goes, I think his decision to piggyback on another Twitter user's comment, in what was a crude jibe aimed at a particular Obama supporter, was a mistake. He allowed the discussion to be hijacked and lost control of the argument. It was especially stupid given that he was debating with women at the time, so he should have expected that allowing rape into the conversation in such a fashion would cause a sh*tstorm.

By the time most of us reach adulthood, it is almost certain that we know at least one person who was the victim of a violent sexual crime. This personalizes discussions of rape for most people in a way that abstract discussions about children killed half a world away in unmanned drone strikes can never match. So long as the bloody costs of conflict don't touch the lives of the majority of voters, most will continue to value their economic well being over the blood and treasure expended in pursuit of empire. This is why Obama can joke about using unmanned drones to kill the Jonas bothers and effectively get away with it, but Glenn Greenwald cannot argue that even rape is not a "bridge to far" for a particularly zealous group of Obama supporters. It's not that rape isn't a deeply serious issue, or that the impersonal summary execution of children, even if accidental ...repeatedly "accidental"... is not arguably worse, it is that one falls within the bounds of human experience for many Americans and one does not. Whether it was intended or not, this has been made painfully apparent by the attempts to paint Glenn Greenwald as insensitive to women and "doubling down" on rape jokes. That he was discussing the degree to which the President has accrued vastly expanded, and clearly destructive, powers is completely lost, as was his obvious contention that even something as heinous as rape would be excused by those most in thrall to this President.

So, while it is almost incomprehensible that we live in a country that is virtually unmoved by the unlawful murder of thousands, many of whom are infants and school children, but that is driven into an uncontrollable rage over the mention of rape in a heated Twitter debate, that is where we are.

Welcome to the Internet.

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Response to Summer Hathaway (Reply #95)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 08:55 AM

125. If had bothered to READ Greenwald's actual columns rather than just the headlines

and the foaming-at-the-mouth attacks on him taking his quotes out of context, you'd know he's done nothing of the sort.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #6)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:06 AM

34. Greenwald is neither good nor effective.

When your idea of an "effective progressive" is hyping Ron Paul, I'd hate to see what you consider an ineffective progressive. And really, trying to spin some conspiracy theory out of this that Greenwald is being "sacrificed" to the right-wing? No, he's selling out to the right wing by kissing ass to Ron Paul, and for that he's meeting pushback from actual liberals who don't appreciate "liberal" plaudits for a right-wing hatemonger.

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Response to TheWraith (Reply #34)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:15 AM

43. How has he been "hyping" Ron Paul?

Please provide links & citations. Full quotes, please. Don't take anything out of context or try to twist his intended meaning.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #43)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:22 AM

49. I seem to have been accused of "hyping" Ron Paul, too..

apparently because I said his stance on the Drug War was correct.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Laugh because it's so ridiculous, or cry because our party's messaging is so damn idiotic now.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #43)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:30 AM

50. What's the point?

You're simply going to dismiss anything I have to say by retorting "Well, but Greenwald SAID Paul has some bad points! So you're lying!" Kind of like the way Greenwald dismisses Ron Paul's history of incredibly bigotry, including the most disgusting homophobia you've ever seen, in order to pump up his "anti imperialist" candidacy (even though Paul has openly supported attacking Iran).

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Response to TheWraith (Reply #50)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:39 AM

54. So, you can't provide such evidence.

And rational people among us can conclude that the attacks on Greenwald - and any other progressive that pokes his head up - are nothing more than a RW smear campaign.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #43)

Sun Jan 8, 2012, 10:33 PM

159. Here he is in his words on video

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Response to baldguy (Reply #6)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 01:40 AM

75. When exactly has Glen Greenwald ever been a popular or effective progressive talking head?

He's always existed on the left edge of the American political spectrum but I wouldn't call him either popular among the public at large or particularly effective as he's never had a significant position in the political discourse.

Plus he's not being smeared. People are posting his own words.

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Response to mythology (Reply #75)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 01:50 AM

78. Popularity:

From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glen_greenwald#Popularity

On August 24, 2008, the day before the start of the 2008 Democratic National Convention, which was held in Denver, Colorado, Dan Amira of New York magazine ranked Greenwald as number 36 in his list of "top 40" most popular American political pundits.

On January 22, 2009, Forbes named Greenwald one of the "25 Most Influential Liberals in the U.S. Media". The magazine placed him at number eighteen, just below Hendrik Hertzberg and just ahead of Andrew Sullivan.

On July 6, 2009, former MSNBC host Dan Abrams launched a new site, Mediaite, reporting on media figures. The site ranked all print and online columnists in America by influence. Greenwald was ranked # 9, immediately behind Charles Krauthammer.

In August 2009, the Web search engine Technorati ranked Glenn Greenwald's Salon.com blog as number 45 in its "Top 100" list of "the most popular 100 blogs based on Technorati Authority" (in its case, 2,056 blog links in the past six months).

In November 2009, The Atlantic launched a new site, TheAtlanticWire.com, and named America's 50 most influential political pundits ("The Atlantic 50" ). Greenwald was ranked #22 on the list.

In December, 2011, Business Insider named him one of the Politix 50: The Only Pundits You Need To Pay Attention To Between Now And The Election.


Seems popular enough to me, doesn't he?

And as to having his own words quoted: several the posts in this very thread have shown them to have been taken out of context & their meaning twisted beyond all recognition.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sun Jan 1, 2012, 11:49 PM

7. I had never heard of glenn greenwald until I joined DU and saw all the Greenwald hysteria

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Response to limpyhobbler (Reply #7)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 02:49 AM

102. Who is Glen Greenwald?

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Sun Jan 1, 2012, 11:53 PM

14. Sickening! n/t

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #11)

Sun Jan 1, 2012, 11:56 PM

20. Do you seriously think that Barack Obama is liable to start raping nuns on television?

I would hope not, because that would be insane. I don't even think Greenwald thinks that would happen.

So the only option yet, a literal interpretation being out, is that this is a joke -- a rape joke told at the expense of President Obama and his supporters. That's your choice...

...other than glossing over rape jokes to protect Greenwald from the consequence of his own words.

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Response to Bolo Boffin (Reply #20)

Sun Jan 1, 2012, 11:58 PM

22. I refuse to get into an arugment with posters looking for a fight.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #22)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:01 AM

24. I'm not looking for a fight.

But I'm not going to watch someone pretending jokes about Obama raping a nun on television are not exactly that.

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Response to Bolo Boffin (Reply #20)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:03 AM

28. It was an analogy using a hypothetical situation.

And it wasn't about Obama it was about uncritical Obama supporters. Oh and the poster wasn't. Greenwald. Other than that...

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #28)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:06 AM

32. It was a joke. And it certainly was about Obama!

Jesus, how can you deny that?

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #28)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:08 AM

37. When

"It was an analogy using a hypothetical situation."

...is such a statement not a "hypothetical situation"?

An analogy or joke, it's hypothetical and disgusting.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #11)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:05 AM

31. Wow, you don't see that saying Obama supporters...

would defend rape is a messed up thing to say? That's not the mindset of supporters.

And you talk about a smear campaign. Really. You just said that Obama supporters would defend rape.

That's a smear campaign. I say that as a woman, a rape survivor, as well as someone that works with rape survivors.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

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Response to one_voice (Reply #31)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 09:07 AM

126. That is absolutely gross and completely out of line, and

I STILL agree with MOST of what Greenwald posts.

He made a mistake here, and I hope he apologizes for it.

Even if he doesn't, I will not have a knee jerk response to it and dismiss everything he posts out of hand. NO ONE is perfect. We all make mistakes, and we currently live in a highly charged, and quite frankly very hostile political climate. Leftists and liberals should be better than this, and for the most part, most of us are most of the time. Right wingers/conservatives have this type of disgusting discourse as part of their everyday rhetoric.

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Response to one_voice (Reply #31)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 09:10 AM

127. Meant to post this as a response to the OP. Comment not directed specifically to you one_voice!

Above comment reflects my thinking on the OP.

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Response to one_voice (Reply #31)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 09:26 AM

130. Sadly, they've defended worse.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sun Jan 1, 2012, 11:52 PM

12. Christ, it just keeps getting worse all the time.

It's like a horrific train wreck, you can't take your eyes off of it!

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sun Jan 1, 2012, 11:52 PM

13. Of course the twitter feed does not support the headline, but never mind.

There was no 'rape joke', there was an unfortunate analogy about uncritical support for Obama. Greenwald was stupid to reply to the person making that analogy. The headline in this op and the linked article are quite dishonest.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #13)

Sun Jan 1, 2012, 11:55 PM

16. So

"There was no 'rape joke', there was an unfortunate analogy about uncritical support for Obama. Greenwald was stupid to reply to the person making that analogy. The headline in this op and the linked article are quite dishonest. "

...let me get this straight: "rape joke" is bad. Rape "analogy" is "unfortunate"?

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Response to ProSense (Reply #16)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:01 AM

25. Saying that Greenwald made a rape joke is a lie.

You go find the rape joke that Greenwald made in that thread.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #25)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:05 AM

29. Sadly, no, it's not a lie.

"No - she'd say it was justified & noble- that he only did it to teach us about the evils of rape."

That was Greenwald's contribution to the rape joke. He couldn't have meant it literally, not about Angry Black Lady, not about President Obama. Joke is the only option left, Greenwald's oh-so-clever way of demeaning people who might disagree with him.

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Response to Bolo Boffin (Reply #29)

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 12:52 AM

166. It is a lie.

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #166)

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 03:09 AM

168. We obviously aren't going to agree on this, so why keep picking at it?

I see a joke told at the expense of rape survivors to smear Obama supporters. I'm not going to change how I feel about it no matter how many times you state otherwise.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #25)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:05 AM

30. Well

"Saying that Greenwald made a rape joke is a lie. "

...if you want to play semantic with rape, go right ahead. Analogy or joke it's disgusting.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #16)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:48 AM

62. I have often heard the same 'joke' applied to objects of personality-cultists of all sorts

Sometimes it's Jesus being raped on TV, sometimes it's Santa Clause. This is an old, old 'joke' (it isn't really a joke) that's meant to say "you would support Person X if s/he <worst_bad_thing> this beloved figure on television."

It's extreme hyperbole and the phrase is used on whatever object (Jesus, Santa) because rape is very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very bad.

It isn't necessarily meant to be funny.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #13)

Sun Jan 1, 2012, 11:58 PM

23. I read the whole exchange and I can't find it either. Did he RT the 'joke'?

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #23)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:03 AM

27. It looks like DrDawg was able to pull his tweets from that Chirpstory.

But it's part of Greenwald's "defense" that he didn't bring up the talk about rape, he simply replied to it. Never mind that DrDawg's tweet very likely would never have been noticed by anyone if Greenwald hadn't replied.

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Response to Bolo Boffin (Reply #27)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:07 AM

36. Ahh, I see what happened:

@DrDawg: @AngryBlackLady @g_p_g @ggreenwald @emptywheel ABL, Obama could rape a nun live on NBC and you'd say we weren't seeing what we were seeing

@GG: No - she'd say it was justified & noble- that he only did it to teach us about the evils of rape.



That is quite shitty, sorry.

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Response to brentspeak (Reply #33)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:12 AM

39. Warren jumped the gun, the guy who originally made the joke deleted it.

So it appears at first glance that GG's response is referring to something else, but it's a direct reply to a very bad joke.

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Response to brentspeak (Reply #33)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:14 AM

42. She provided the whole context of all of the twitters

in the link. Go read it.

And you are attacking an Obama supporter.

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Response to tabatha (Reply #42)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:31 AM

51. Here's some "whole context" for you

The OP citing the wrong bill to demean Dennis Kucinich here on DU -- and forum members calling the distortion out.

There's more where that came from, a lot more. But it's late.

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Response to brentspeak (Reply #51)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:36 AM

53. I don't know about every item that is posted, because I don't have time to read all of DU.

I was just commenting on this particular context.

In fact, I was calling out the poster, just as other posters were calling out that error in your link.

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Response to brentspeak (Reply #33)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:31 AM

52. Sure she is. She is damned well-known for being truthful and honest.

That's why she is here.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #13)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:42 AM

57. Very dishonest. But hey, par for the course as GG said. Election season is upon us and

anything goes. At this point, all these threads on GG must be making him very happy.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sun Jan 1, 2012, 11:57 PM

21. WE GET IT GLENN, YOU'RE NOT VOTING FOR OBAMA.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:12 AM

40. GOT HIM!!!!

maybe this will get him fired from Salon!

Wouldn't that be fantastic! Victory!

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Response to Enrique (Reply #40)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:16 AM

44. Really

"GOT HIM!!!!

maybe this will get him fired from Salon!

Wouldn't that be fantastic! Victory!"

This is what you think being appalled by the incident is about?

Seriously?

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Response to ProSense (Reply #44)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 09:24 AM

129. The "outrage" comes across as disingenuous to me.

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Response to girl gone mad (Reply #129)

Sun Jan 8, 2012, 10:53 PM

160. Funny, leftist outrage about Obama comes off the same way to me

Go figure.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:13 AM

41. I, sadly, have come to the conclusion that GG is a human piece of filth.


I wonder what he thought about the photos of the WH lawn made over into a watermelon patch? Greenwald suffers the same malady as many of his most strident defenders, they hate Obama supporters more than they hate the man himself. Well, tough titties. I'm one supporter who won't be bullied by the likes of GG, and I hope he feels the pushback, but good.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:40 AM

55. who's Glenn Greenwald?

 

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:43 AM

58. The story is misleading, the rape reference (while tacky) is taken out of context

and the person it was directed to managed to take care of herself.


rocktivity

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Response to rocktivity (Reply #58)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:45 AM

60. There

"The story is misleading, the rape reference (while tacky) is taken out of context"

...absolutely nothing "misleading" about this story: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=102282

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 01:02 AM

66. Lol! Character Assassination Underground

What exactly are you trying to accomplish with all this desperate flailing?

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Response to whatchamacallit (Reply #66)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 01:07 AM

67. I

"Lol! Character Assassination Underground"

...don't like rape analogies or jokes. You?

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Response to ProSense (Reply #67)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 01:19 AM

70. I don't like duplicity n/t

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Response to whatchamacallit (Reply #70)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 01:22 AM

71. And

"I don't like duplicity"

...I don't like hypocrisy!

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Response to ProSense (Reply #71)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 01:25 AM

73. Ok

?

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Response to whatchamacallit (Reply #66)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 03:56 AM

112. Good question. What has happened is that people are rallying around GG

the way we all rallied around Clinton when he was attacked also. So if that was the goal, it's working. I've never seen him get so many recs on a blog post before.

Smearing people never works, all it does is disgust people.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #112)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 03:58 AM

113. That headline is false.

Totally false. Whoever wrote it should delete it or post the GG statement they claim he made. I have searched for it, as have others and it is nowhere to be found.

Shame to see it here though.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 01:44 AM

76. Hell, even I will rec this. I hope it gets more recs than any DU post EVAH!

DrDawg Dr.Dawg
@AngryBlackLady @g_p_g @ggreenwald @emptywheel ABL, Obama could rape a nun live on NBC and you'd say we weren't seeing what we were seeing


ggreenwald Glenn Greenwald
@DrDawg @AngryBlackLady @g_p_g @emptywheel No - she'd say it was justified & noble- that he only did it to teach us about the evils of rape.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #76)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 02:13 AM

82. Monument to madness

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Response to whatchamacallit (Reply #82)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 02:20 AM

88. He should have joked, like Obama did, about killing people with drones!

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #76)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 04:00 AM

115. Lol, DU has been discredited enough the past few days. I just can't contribute to that by

rec'ing. Thanks for the facts though.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #115)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 04:11 AM

117. I can respect that and thank for the kick!

DrDawg Dr.Dawg
AngryBlackLady g_p_g ggreenwald emptywheel ABL, Obama could rape a nun live on NBC and you'd say we weren't seeing what we were seeing


ggreenwald Glenn Greenwald
DrDawg AngryBlackLady g_p_g emptywheel No - she'd say it was justified & noble- that he only did it to teach us about the evils of rape.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #117)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 04:30 AM

118. No problem, thanks for posting the facts.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #76)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 10:34 AM

135. Here are a couple of more comments by Greenwald later in this exchange:

@JamilSmith She defends assassinations, ridicules drone killing of children - he said: there's nothing you won't defend: even THIS
ggreenwald 21 hours ago

@mountain_goats @JamilSmith It wasn't a joke of any kind: it was a *deadly serious point* about blind defeders of evil acts - and it's TRUE
ggreenwald 21 hours ago

There is phony outrage here against Glenn Greenwald. He was responding to someone else's comment about rape, and he was in no way belittling rape. If fact the commentators relied on the seriousness of rape to make their points.

The comments appear to be in the context of AngryBlackLady defending many of the worst behaviors of Barrack Obama, and ridiculing his victims. Now people like AngryBlackLady, and much more importantly President Obama, should be what DU should save their outrage for. President Obama is the one that is conducting actual evil and criminal acts, including murdering children.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 01:48 AM

77. And President Obama jokes about the little single payer advocates at his town hall forum, video ...

one would think Greenwald was running for president or most people on the street even know who Greenwald is judging by the recent posts here.

http://warisacrime.org/node/42630

"...By far the biggest contributor to our national debt and our annual deficit is the cost of Medicare and Medicaid as well as the other entitlement Social Security, defense and interst on the debt ..."

And SS is one of the largest contributors to our national debt and annual deficit.





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Response to slipslidingaway (Reply #77)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 01:53 AM

79. Yeah,

"And President Obama jokes about the little single payer advocates at his town hall forum, video ..."

...that's exactly the same as joking about the President raping a nun, right?

Disgusting!

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Response to ProSense (Reply #79)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 02:12 AM

80. No, not the same, but one is the President of the US and the other writes a column ...

where was the outrage when the President made belittling remarks about a very seroius issue that effects every person in our nation and blocked discussion of a system that almost every other industrialized nation in the world has adopted. And those were his words in the video, what is so funny about the "little" single payer advocates.

If you do not think you can change the system dramatically, at least advance issue and open up discussion, that was not done.

How many people people are aware of a comment made by Greenwald on Twitter? How many people will die or go bankrupt because we could not discuss a universal HC ssytem in order to protect the for profit system, which was already losing customers?

A little balance is needed, that is the point.





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Response to slipslidingaway (Reply #80)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 02:15 AM

83. Remember when Obama joked about killing people with drones?

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #83)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 02:19 AM

86. Yes, not very funny if your child was killed by one though. n/t

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 02:13 AM

81. I wish I could rec this thread 1000 times! Winning!

DrDawg Dr.Dawg
AngryBlackLady g_p_g ggreenwald emptywheel ABL, Obama could rape a nun live on NBC and you'd say we weren't seeing what we were seeing


ggreenwald Glenn Greenwald
DrDawg AngryBlackLady g_p_g emptywheel No - she'd say it was justified & noble- that he only did it to teach us about the evils of rape.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #81)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 02:17 AM

84. Rape jokes are funny, huh? n/t

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Response to ProSense (Reply #84)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 02:22 AM

89. As funny as making a joke about killing people with drones.

DrDawg Dr.Dawg
AngryBlackLady g_p_g ggreenwald emptywheel ABL, Obama could rape a nun live on NBC and you'd say we weren't seeing what we were seeing


ggreenwald Glenn Greenwald
DrDawg AngryBlackLady g_p_g emptywheel No - she'd say it was justified & noble- that he only did it to teach us about the evils of rape.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #89)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 02:39 AM

97. So you're

saying Greenwald's rape joke is OK by your justification?

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Response to ProSense (Reply #97)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 02:43 AM

99. No more offensive than all those DU threads about rightwingers raping goats.


DrDawg Dr.Dawg
AngryBlackLady g_p_g ggreenwald emptywheel ABL, Obama could rape a nun live on NBC and you'd say we weren't seeing what we were seeing


ggreenwald Glenn Greenwald
DrDawg AngryBlackLady g_p_g emptywheel No - she'd say it was justified & noble- that he only did it to teach us about the evils of rape.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #81)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 02:25 AM

90. Yeah, that's

 

just totally hilarious. That's some sense of humor you have.

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Response to Dewey Finn (Reply #90)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 02:28 AM

92. Hey! I laughed when the President joked about killing the Jonas brothers with drones!

DrDawg Dr.Dawg
AngryBlackLady g_p_g ggreenwald emptywheel ABL, Obama could rape a nun live on NBC and you'd say we weren't seeing what we were seeing


ggreenwald Glenn Greenwald
DrDawg AngryBlackLady g_p_g emptywheel No - she'd say it was justified & noble- that he only did it to teach us about the evils of rape.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #92)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 02:31 AM

93. Yes, that doesn't surprise me at all

 

since you've already made your comedic sensibilities known. It's a wonder you can post anything at all amidst all your merry-making.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 02:17 AM

85. I was undecided about Glenn Greenwald until this point.

 

Yup, he's an ass.

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Response to Zalatix (Reply #85)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 04:38 AM

120. I think you must not have read through all the links. The headline is false.

Anonymous' revelations from the HB Gary affair and the plot to smear Glenn Greenwald appear to have been restarted. I hope Greenwald is watching his back. That was scary and we all hoped that the exposure of it would end it. But this concerted and vicious campaign makes me worry that the powerful elements who were out to silence him, have not given up. I would not want to be a part of this.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #120)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 09:30 AM

131. Seems like HBGary took over DU this weekend.

Plan B?

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #120)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 11:37 AM

141. It's truly madness,

a vicious, foaming-at-the-mouth attempt to bring him down. God help us all if you're right, and there's a concerted effort by "powerful elements" behind it all. We've seen things like this happen before, and no good can come of it.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 02:26 AM

91. Does the new DU archive posts or can I kick this thread for the next 11 months?

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #91)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 02:32 AM

94. My guess would be you'll find plenty of new stuff

 

coming down the pike that you can keep yourself entertained with. Why so impatient?

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Response to Dewey Finn (Reply #94)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 02:37 AM

96. Impatient? Nope. This thread has so much win that I want to keep it at the top

all the way to the election.

DrDawg Dr.Dawg
AngryBlackLady g_p_g ggreenwald emptywheel ABL, Obama could rape a nun live on NBC and you'd say we weren't seeing what we were seeing


ggreenwald Glenn Greenwald
DrDawg AngryBlackLady g_p_g emptywheel No - she'd say it was justified & noble- that he only did it to teach us about the evils of rape.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #96)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 02:42 AM

98. Of course you do.

 

You didn't even need to say so. Anyone reading this could have guessed.

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Response to Dewey Finn (Reply #98)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 02:44 AM

100. Thanks for helping me keep this kicked!

DrDawg Dr.Dawg
AngryBlackLady g_p_g ggreenwald emptywheel ABL, Obama could rape a nun live on NBC and you'd say we weren't seeing what we were seeing


ggreenwald Glenn Greenwald
DrDawg AngryBlackLady g_p_g emptywheel No - she'd say it was justified & noble- that he only did it to teach us about the evils of rape.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #100)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 02:53 AM

103. No problem, friend.

 

I figure as many people as possible should read what you're posting here. Again and again.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 02:59 AM

105. It's called hyperbole...

and sarcasm. Unless jokes must now be rated G at all times...

Can we be done with manufactured outrage?

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Response to MellowDem (Reply #105)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 03:07 AM

106. Oh please! Don't disturb the umbrage with common sense!

DrDawg Dr.Dawg
AngryBlackLady g_p_g ggreenwald emptywheel ABL, Obama could rape a nun live on NBC and you'd say we weren't seeing what we were seeing


ggreenwald Glenn Greenwald
DrDawg AngryBlackLady g_p_g emptywheel No - she'd say it was justified & noble- that he only did it to teach us about the evils of rape.

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Response to MellowDem (Reply #105)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 03:10 AM

108. Rape hyperbole? Rape analogy. Rape joke. Disgusting! n/t

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Response to ProSense (Reply #108)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 03:22 AM

110. It's a political joke...

and pretty obviously was not meant to be taken literally or seriously. And it's not an analogy of rape, it's not a joke about rape, and it's not hyperbole about rape. It's also not an analogy of nuns, a joke about nuns, or hyperbole about nuns.



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Response to MellowDem (Reply #110)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 03:38 AM

111. Seriously

It's a political joke...
and pretty obviously was not meant to be taken literally or seriously. And it's not an analogy of rape, it's not a joke about rape, and it's not hyperbole about rape. It's also not an analogy of nuns, a joke about nuns, or hyperbole about nuns.

...bullshit!


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Response to MellowDem (Reply #110)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 04:05 AM

116. Unlike Obama's joke about his unaccountable killing machines...

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Response to MellowDem (Reply #110)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 04:34 AM

119. Hey, when you want to silence someone, anything goes.

Same old dirty tricks the rightwingers use, now coming to us on the 'left'.

Thankfully I see it is going nowhere except here unfortunately and on a few extremist obscure blogs that most people are familiar with and which have little if any credibility. Too bad it has been here though.

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Response to MellowDem (Reply #105)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 03:16 AM

109. it's almost as if

 

this was posted on the supposition that nobody would click through to see what actually was said and what the context was

Perhaps the comment hit somebody too close to home...

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 03:10 AM

107. Kick.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 03:58 AM

114. class act

 

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 04:40 AM

121. In this thread, DUers defend GG's continuation of a vile rape joke.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #121)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 04:44 AM

122. Yep.

DrDawg Dr.Dawg
AngryBlackLady g_p_g ggreenwald emptywheel ABL, Obama could rape a nun live on NBC and you'd say we weren't seeing what we were seeing


ggreenwald Glenn Greenwald
DrDawg AngryBlackLady g_p_g emptywheel No - she'd say it was justified & noble- that he only did it to teach us about the evils of rape.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #122)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 04:45 AM

123. ^-see

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #122)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 04:46 AM

124. Yes, if an Obama-hater on the far left says it, it's okay.

Anything the Obama-hating left does or says is justified.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #124)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 09:33 AM

132. Anything?

Even raping a nun?

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #121)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 09:34 AM

133. Leave Glenn ALONE!!!

You're lucky he even performs for you BASTARD PEOPLE!!

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #121)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 10:03 AM

134. Smart folks

know when to quit.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #121)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 11:25 AM

139. Really?

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #121)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 11:25 AM

140. Agree. n/t

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #121)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 01:57 PM

148. GG was joking about the Blogger. But don't let that stop the

attempted smear campaign. And that particular blogger is deserves to be made fun of, considering her own habit of attacking anyone who does not march in lockstep with HER views.

I see the smear campaign has failed miserably anyhow, as I said earlier people are disgusted with this kind of online low level mindless garbage. I've never seen a post of GG's get so many recs. A statement of how sick and tired people are of these vile attacks on anyone who dares to disagree with them.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 11:06 AM

136. He is not a journalist. He is an Obama-hater with a bullhorn.

 

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 11:12 AM

137. How many times have I read here that "GW could eat a baby on TV and no one would care"

Lots.

Does that constitute a joke about eating a baby? Seriously?

Leave Greenwald alone!

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 11:14 AM

138. Alternative headline: "Greenwald says that rape is evil" is more accurate. nt

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #138)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:15 PM

142. I prefer your more accurate headline: "Greenwald says that rape is evil"

Dr.Dawg's comment is followed by Glenn Greenwald's comment: http://chirpstory.com/li/3666

DrDawg Dr.Dawg
AngryBlackLady g_p_g ggreenwald emptywheel ABL, Obama could rape a nun live on NBC and you'd say we weren't seeing what we were seeing

ggreenwald Glenn Greenwald
DrDawg AngryBlackLady g_p_g emptywheel No - she'd say it was justified & noble- that he only did it to teach us about the evils of rape.


Comments from Greenwald later in this exchange:

@JamilSmith She defends assassinations, ridicules drone killing of children - he said: there's nothing you won't defend: even THIS
ggreenwald 21 hours ago

@mountain_goats @JamilSmith It wasn't a joke of any kind: it was a *deadly serious point* about blind defenders of evil acts - and it's TRUE
ggreenwald 21 hours ago


It's clear that it is the very evil of rape that made Greenwald's comments make any sense. This outrage against Greenwald is phony, and it strengthens Greenwald's point about supporters of Obama.

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Response to cpwm17 (Reply #142)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 02:01 PM

149. He is absolutely correct about that particular blogger. She

will defend anything so long as it is this President doing it.

She and a few others confirmed what he said in his article about all of this. He got plenty of proof that his charges were not hyperbole.

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #138)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 01:10 PM

143. +1000 n/t

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #138)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 01:16 PM

145. And

"Alternative headline: "Greenwald says that rape is evil" is more accurate. "

....here's why that would be false:


DrDawg: AngryBlackLady g_p_g ggreenwald emptywheel ABL, Obama could rape a nun live on NBC and you'd say we weren't seeing what we were seeing

GG: No - she'd say it was justified & noble- that he only did it to teach us about the evils of rape.


He didn't say "rape is evil." He added that the Obama supporter would justify rape as "he only did it to teach us about the evils of rape"

No amount of spin can wash away the disgusting episode.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 01:13 PM

144. His problem is that he expects us to agree with his conclusions

He considers them unassailable.

He has dismissed the issue from debate. Said we must agree with him. If we do, then we will defend anything Obama does. But he's tried to shut the door on debating just exactly what the NDAA does. It's bad, dammit, and that issue is no longer open. Thus if you don't think the world is at end and our freedoms gone, you must be willing to support Obama no matter what he does.

Underlying that is the fact that people like him hate Obama and think therefore that there rest of us have to abandon our support of him. We have to not like something. We have to find something we can criticize, or we are blind worshippers. That's a duty Glen and his like invented for us, but they are starting to believe it.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 01:18 PM

146. shows how inflammatory

 

a repulsive "joke" interjected into discussion can be

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 01:32 PM

147. "It wasn't a joke of any kind: it was a *deadly serious point* about blind defenders of evil acts...

"It wasn't a joke of any kind: it was a *deadly serious point* about blind defeders of evil acts - and it's TRUE"

"It is NOT a "rape metaphor": it's a statement they they'd defend ANY evil: assassinations, child-killings: EVEN rape"

"Yes, I think Obama defenders who justify assassinations, drone killing of children, etc. would justify ALL crimes"

"Let me be very clear: the point - which I affirm 100% - is that some people will justify the most HORRIFIC things he does"

Greenwald quotes from your link

http://chirpstory.com/li/3666

http://twitter.com/ggreenwald


Jokes about killing young boys with drones are so much better, unless your child was one of them.




http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/05/obama-drone-joke-was-it-offens.html

"Everyone agrees that President Obama was funnier than Jay Leno at the White House Correspondents Association dinner on Saturday night. But this joke is inspiring some backlash:

"Jonas Brothers are here, they're out there somewhere. Sasha and Malia are huge fans, but boys, don't get any ideas. Two words for you: predator drones. You will never see it coming. You think I'm joking?"

"You have to wonder why in the world the president's speech writers would think it was a good idea to throw a joke about predator drones into the president's speech during the White House Correspondent's Dinner, given that an estimated one-third of drone casualties, or between 289 and 378, have been civilians," wrote Adam Serwer at the American Prospect...

The joke mighta worked, and certainly would've been less offensive, coming from anyone else. It seems like a no-brainer that the people directly responsible for tragedies should not deliver jokes about those tragedies. That's why Mel Brooks can tell Hitler jokes and Germans can't..."











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Response to slipslidingaway (Reply #147)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 02:05 PM

150. Seems

""It wasn't a joke of any kind: it was a *deadly serious point* about blind defenders of evil acts..."

...like more justification of a rape joke:

DrDawg: AngryBlackLady g_p_g ggreenwald emptywheel ABL, Obama could rape a nun live on NBC and you'd say we weren't seeing what we were seeing

GG: No - she'd say it was justified & noble- that he only did it to teach us about the evils of rape.


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Response to ProSense (Reply #150)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 07:57 PM

154. Killing innocent people with drones is funny though ...



Greenwald again ...

"Let me be very clear: the point - which I affirm 100% - is that some people will justify the most HORRIFIC things he does"





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Response to ProSense (Reply #150)

Tue Jan 3, 2012, 08:20 PM

155. Crickets again ProSense? n/t

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Response to slipslidingaway (Reply #155)

Sun Jan 8, 2012, 04:55 PM

157. No

"Crickets again ProSense?"

There are no "crickets," but let me repost this so you can, again, ignore the actual exchange.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1049024

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Response to ProSense (Reply #157)

Tue Jan 10, 2012, 11:20 PM

163. This recent tactic of one word subject lines in a reply is pretty annoying ...

and it is not working.

Your OP is false.



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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 02:16 PM

151. Greenwald could kill a kitten and post the video at Salon.com...

and his defenders would find a way to make it the kitten's fault.



*Note: I think kitten killing is bad.

Sid

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 02:16 PM

152. Know these mudslinging operatives by their words.

Pathetic and transparent nonsense.

Viva La Greenwald!

Cheers!

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 03:03 PM

153. Sad the lengths people will go to protect and support someone they agree with, even when that person

says something deplorable like this.

I guarantee that if a republican or even some other columnist had said this people would be all up in arms.

But because it was GG, all of the sudden its just a smear campaign


Sad.

Look yourselves in the mirror and tell me you are comfortable using rape analogies to discuss someones political stances....

If you are then you have some serious soul searching to do.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sun Jan 8, 2012, 10:30 PM

158. During the 8 years of Bush --

I posted here repeatedly: George Bush could ass fuck a Boy Scout on live TV and there would be some GOPers who would defend and justify it. Where was your "outrage" then? Hmmmmm? No one here gave shit about it, including YOU.

Guess what? The past 3 years have shown me that there are DEMOCRATS who fall into that "so and so can do no wrong" category. In fact, I see some of those folks every day right here on DU.

And it is sad, disgusting thing to witness. Far more offesive than any comment I ever made about George Bush and Boy Scouts, or any comment about Obama and nuns.

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Response to cpwm17 (Reply #161)

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 12:13 AM

164. Kicking this into the face of the disingenuous, intellectually dishonest people who threw this crap

there.

They should be ashamed of themselves and the lengths they are willing to go to.

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Response to Hell Hath No Fury (Reply #158)

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 12:21 AM

165. I would love to hear ProSense actually respond to this. Maybe I will do some kicking for a while. nt

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Jan 9, 2012, 02:10 AM

162. The hysterical faux outrage in this thread

is a sad reminder of the lengths people will go to when they have it out for you.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 12:59 AM

167. Oh goody! My favorite thread on DU3 is back on top!

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon May 26, 2014, 07:03 PM

169. Disgusting little man.

 

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