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JohnnyRingo

(18,622 posts)
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 10:26 PM Jul 2012

Where are the craftsmen of tomorrow?

Motorcycle collector and restoration shop owner Adam Cramer on the grim future of his trade (about 4 min):

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I wonder myself, from experience with my own grandchildren, where the X-Box Generation is going to find the life skills to do anything other than texting or playing video games. It's a real leap to assume they may be the designers of the next hit video game just because they can beat a level in a game or program a smart phone. The odds are just as likely they can be the next LeBron James because they shoot a few hoops, or playing in a garage band will make them an opening act for The Boss.

I sometimes ask my grandkids what moves them when I consider buying a gift. I ask what their passion is, or what the one thing is they wish they could do. I get blank looks in return. I ask if there's anything they want to learn more about like how airplanes work, basic electronics, or building things, and they shrug their shoulders.

I got a couple of them involved in skateboards, which is good exercise, but I wanted them to learn something along the way so I ordered blank decks and scoured eBay for trucks and wheels. I tried to teach them how to mask off the decks and paint their own graphics, but got nowhere. They were fine that I did all that and delivered the completed board to them.

I gave one Grandson a nice model car for one birthday. It took him one day before he threw in the towel, saying it was "too hard". This is the kid who will sit at his laptop trying over and over to beat a level on a video game until he's rocking back and forth with exploding kidneys. I don't believe he's exercising his brain any more than a lab rat in a maze. He's just exploring one dead end after another until he stumbles upon a solution.

I made two pairs of stilts last week for the other grandchildren (aged 8-12). I couldn't imagine letting them use a drill, let alone a power saw, to do the job themselves, and I know they wouldn't be interested anyway. They tried for about 30 seconds and told me they don't want them because "it's too hard" to walk on them.

Someday, this X-Box generation will wake up as adults and realize they don't know how to leave their neighborhoods because they spent their formative years glued to the video screens in the back seat of mom's mini-van before she even left the driveway, or don't know how to use a wrench to adjust a fan belt because they can't find an app for that. When that happens, they'll find themselves at the mercy of the very few who learned the life skills to work with their hands, and the cost will be astronomical.

I used to threaten my grandkids that they will have to find employment some day on the back of a garbage truck rolling down the street in the winter sleet. Now the trucks have an arm that lifts the garbage cans automatically, so even that opportunity is lost to them. I don't know what will become of them now. I know some of the more optomistic will say they can join the Army and fly drones with a joystick, and then they can get out they can ... uh... well, they can re-enlist.

*sigh*
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Where are the craftsmen of tomorrow? (Original Post) JohnnyRingo Jul 2012 OP
Tool and die makers... Welders.....Pipe Fitters...Steel Workers... lib2DaBone Jul 2012 #1
I'm actually going to a local community college for a machinist certification. Sirveri Jul 2012 #42
You're a kick ass grandfather even if your grandkids don't understand what they are missing Edweird Jul 2012 #2
Thanx JohnnyRingo Jul 2012 #13
I know that feeling. I have to keep telling them it's not like TV - haele Jul 2012 #3
We're bringing them back, basic skills needed in the crafts and trades. NYC_SKP Jul 2012 #4
Offer good pay and they will come. Zalatix Jul 2012 #5
I don't think that's the point. JohnnyRingo Jul 2012 #10
I'm a craftsperson. there is no good pay anymore. robinlynne Jul 2012 #12
Hasn't been any good pay for "self employed" craftspeople for at least 30 years or so. Trillo Jul 2012 #34
I could pay my bills before, at least. robinlynne Jul 2012 #39
I've argued this point many times & I believe we need to bring back Tariffs Boxerfan Jul 2012 #6
I had a Popular Mechanics magazine from 1938 Speck Tater Jul 2012 #7
Nintendo DS gets kudos - bhikkhu Jul 2012 #9
It is Really Frustrating Trying to Fix Stuff Nowadays AndyTiedye Jul 2012 #22
As a mechanic for 25 yrs, who's never had a single trainee... bhikkhu Jul 2012 #8
Hope! cbrer Jul 2012 #14
40 years ago, even when a young man went to work for a corporation he might do his own car & engine patrice Jul 2012 #11
You raise an interesting point. JohnnyRingo Jul 2012 #15
There is hot rodding going on - it's imports now instead of detroit iron. Edweird Jul 2012 #44
For years I worked in a fabric store. WillowTree Jul 2012 #16
That desrcibes the girl I love. JohnnyRingo Jul 2012 #17
LOL, every time I buy a pattern and fabric, I always get asked about what I'm making. gkhouston Jul 2012 #21
So true! & All of the fabric stores are gone now. American textiles are also extinct, I believe. nt patrice Jul 2012 #25
I'm a long-time sewer, quilter, mender, knitter/crocheter too, and one thing I have noticed over Nay Jul 2012 #37
Playing Xbox 360 and drinking Monster... cherokeeprogressive Jul 2012 #18
Don't worry. Climate Change will bring back the trades. Kennah Jul 2012 #19
Do we need to brush up on cubits? Is that what you are saying? Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2012 #24
That, and math without a computer or calculator Kennah Jul 2012 #28
Your comment reminds me of a trip to a drug store Ednahilda Jul 2012 #30
"I define "math" as anything that involves letters pretending to be numbers." CrispyQ Jul 2012 #32
I saw the title and first thought was Craftsman tools rl6214 Jul 2012 #20
"I couldn't imagine letting them use a drill, let alone a power saw, to do the job themselves," jtuck004 Jul 2012 #23
I read Summerhill & also Foxfire. Those books made me daydream about a different way to live & learn patrice Jul 2012 #27
Between hubby and me Ednahilda Jul 2012 #31
Right Here ALIVE AND WELL slampoet Jul 2012 #26
Depends on the kids and their environment, I think. MineralMan Jul 2012 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author Tsiyu Jul 2012 #38
I love my very diverse and very family-oriented MineralMan Jul 2012 #40
my state is full of them cali Jul 2012 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author Tsiyu Jul 2012 #36
Are you sure you don't live in Lake Wobegone? Fumesucker Jul 2012 #41
I took away my 16 yo daughter's phone before a road trip Nevernose Jul 2012 #35
My nephew grew up on Starcraft and anime cartoons KurtNYC Jul 2012 #43
It's somewhat satisfying that there are still people that can look further than their next QP&L. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #45
 

lib2DaBone

(8,124 posts)
1. Tool and die makers... Welders.....Pipe Fitters...Steel Workers...
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 10:31 PM
Jul 2012

..the very trades that made America strong.. heve been destroyed by Corporate America, NAFTA and a corrupt Congress.

Sirveri

(4,517 posts)
42. I'm actually going to a local community college for a machinist certification.
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 07:59 AM
Jul 2012

Nobody cares about the program or really even wants to get into it, consequently I've got some good looking job prospects ahead of me. Thankfully I'm only 31 and am only on my third career retooling. Eventually I'll be skilled in everything but won't have any experience so won't be hired by everyone due to lack of experience and being otherwise overqualified.

JohnnyRingo

(18,622 posts)
13. Thanx
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 11:41 PM
Jul 2012

I have to point out that my grandkids are smart. At least as smart as I was.

They have access to more data than I could imagine when I was their age, and they're absolutely more informed than I was as a boy. The problem is they don't find appeal in anything that involves practical application. I don't expect them to become Space Station mechanics, so I've tried involving them in astronomy (I have a couple 'scopes), photography, art, and building models, but they always want to get back to YouTube, texting, and playing games.

Smart as they are, I'm sure some of the lore that I force down their ungrateful digital throats will be remembered when they need it after I'm gone. LOL.

haele

(12,645 posts)
3. I know that feeling. I have to keep telling them it's not like TV -
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 10:40 PM
Jul 2012

I tell the kidlet when I'm not around anymore to fix her problems and tell her what to do, what will she do?
Its as if there's just way too many shortcuts, and they aren't encouraged to ask "why" anymore. It's just "shut up and entertain yourself" as the rest of the world just seems to pass them by.

Haele

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
4. We're bringing them back, basic skills needed in the crafts and trades.
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 10:44 PM
Jul 2012

I was raised on a farm, can operate anything, and weld, mold, machine, etc., the things I need.

I'm now in education and have two public school programs dedicated to careers in energy and sustainable transportation.

The skills they get will make them better engineers if they continue their education, and better citizens in any event.

Our infrastructure is crumbling and there's going to be hell to pay if we don't have a good workforce.

But, more than anything, kids love to build things, actual things, even if a 3D printer is making them, but they have to have the basics first.

JohnnyRingo

(18,622 posts)
10. I don't think that's the point.
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 11:28 PM
Jul 2012

My grandkids, and what I call the X-Box Generation, don't get on their laptops, smart phones, or video games because there's profit potential. They don't learn how to install an app because it'll pay money down the road, so it has nothing to do with good pay

By the same token, when I was a boy in the mid-60s, I didn't build my first skateboard from a piece of board and steel roller skate wheels because I was eying a lucrative career in cabinetry. I didn't take an interest in building and flying R/C model airplanes because I hoped to land a high paying job as an airline pilot, and I didn't build a Tesla Coil because I thought TV repairmen ate steak.

Don't get me wrong, my grandchildren are very smart and much more informed than I was at that age, but as they spend their time absorbing data, they're doing nothing. They aren't building anything or tweaking anything. They have no other interest than soaking up more information (most of it trivial) and have no outlet for practical application. If I told them jet engine mechanics earn six figures, they'll learn no more about lefty-loosey than my pet cockatoo.

I got two of the more promising ones cameras last year. When I asked a month later what pictures they took, they had nothing. One of them wouldn't even figure out how to use it at all. Not caring about apertures, focal length, or f-stops, they figured a cell phone is better. They can put it right on FaceBook.

Trillo

(9,154 posts)
34. Hasn't been any good pay for "self employed" craftspeople for at least 30 years or so.
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 04:55 PM
Jul 2012

Just saying I agree with you.

Boxerfan

(2,533 posts)
6. I've argued this point many times & I believe we need to bring back Tariffs
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 10:48 PM
Jul 2012

When we outsourced our manufacturing we lost our future hands on designers/problem solvers . The trade schools were a viable option for those who disliked paperwork but were good with their hands. And just as bright if not brighter than any corporate high paid "Job Creator".

It served a vital need for our nation and the only joy is knowing the rich will never be able to survive in world where you have to "Make" things. And the time will return-the pendulum will swing. When the resources are exhausted of course but where will we be as a nation then???

I can fix almost anything but I can't pass pee test & have a few age/job related disabilities= No job for me!....At least I can help out for my family but this nation is on its freaking head upside down priorities wise.

 

Speck Tater

(10,618 posts)
7. I had a Popular Mechanics magazine from 1938
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 11:00 PM
Jul 2012

that had articles like how to build your own steam engine from scratch. It assumed the home craftsman knew how to weld and could turn metal parts on his lathe. These are skills that used to be common when the majority of the population was rural and knew how to repair farm machinery. I was barely out of diapers when my father taught me how to replace a broken plug on a lamp cord, plaster a hole in a wall, and replace washers in a dripping bathroom faucet. By the time I was ten I could do MIL spec soldering and had my Ham radio license, having built my own transmitter and receiver from parts salvaged from old TV sets and AM radios. Of course that was back in the 1950's before Americans became as dumb as stumps.

And it doesn't help one bit that today's technology is NOT reparable, but has to be replaced. You can't open up your cell phone and replace a burned out resister from the Allied Radio catalog.

bhikkhu

(10,714 posts)
9. Nintendo DS gets kudos -
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 11:05 PM
Jul 2012

every part in that can be bought cheap, and its all repairable. I had to dust off my old soldering iron the other day to swap out a card slot and upper screen in my daughter's - about $8 in parts and it worked like a charm.

But I do know what you mean - that's a rare example.

AndyTiedye

(23,500 posts)
22. It is Really Frustrating Trying to Fix Stuff Nowadays
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 01:57 AM
Jul 2012

Everything is so damn tiny I have to work under a magnifying glass.
I've been soldering since I was a kid too, but soldering surface-mount stuff is something else.
I'm a ham too. First got into that back then too.
I've got a bunch of old cellphones and other obsolete wireless gear that I can't quite bear to throw out
because I figure some of it could be repurposed somehow, but it always comes down to something in
the bowels of some proprietary chip somewhere.

I don't even try to service our cars myself anymore, they're hybrids.

bhikkhu

(10,714 posts)
8. As a mechanic for 25 yrs, who's never had a single trainee...
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 11:00 PM
Jul 2012

I have to agree. I grew up wanting to know how to be able to do everything, to make or build or fix everything - cars, bicycles, appliances, furniture. If a person built it in the first place, I figured I could do the same, or fix it if it broke. I've made a pretty good living all over the country since I was 20 diagnosing and repairing cars, but I've never trained a single guy in any of that - brakes, suspension work, alignments, undercar or electrical...

Its not that I couldn't, or that there are so many techs there wasn't room for one more - just the opposite. The money is good and there is plenty of work - even in a recession - I've just never seen anyone with any interest in learning the work. So I have to agree, and (in spite of the controversy over whether people really want to work or not) I wonder too about the next generation.

I wonder about my own generation as well - born in the 60's - where so many have worked and smoked and drunk themselves into the ground (or at least into disability or depression, or both) at too early an age.

 

cbrer

(1,831 posts)
14. Hope!
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 11:46 PM
Jul 2012

My son definitely fits into the Nintendo/Laptop category. However 2 of his friends are pretty broadly skilled. One of them is working on a mechanical engineering degree. My son swaps computer repairs for car repairs, and they have their get togethers where they end up taking something apart, installing stereos in cars, or other such technical activities. I'm a mechanic by trade. While I was growing up, if I couldn't fix it, I didn't get it.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
11. 40 years ago, even when a young man went to work for a corporation he might do his own car & engine
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 11:34 PM
Jul 2012

maintenance and repair for pleasure and even socialization.

My first husband, who worked for IBM, spent his Saturdays in his garage, with whatever our vehicle was at the time, and with his beer refrigerator and his radio. He did all of the basic maintenance on his vehicles and basic repairs. Friends would come over, or he would go over to their garages. They'd do things like buy an old truck and take the engine out and drop a monster big-block in there (which I then had to re-learn how to manage the new clutch and steer with the tiny little steering wheel that they though was so cool). They all had regular jobs, but when they got into motorcycles, they learned to work on those too and taught one another what they knew. I had a couple of winters in which stripped down engine parts were laid out across my kitchen floor while something was "bored and stroked" in some other guy's garage across town.

A good side effect of this was that, aside from parts, we never paid a dime for auto repairs and apparently some of the skills were generalizable, so my husband could also fix other stuff around the house.

JohnnyRingo

(18,622 posts)
15. You raise an interesting point.
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 11:50 PM
Jul 2012

I have an old Triumph TR6, and I enjoy working on it. While I'm under the hood or shifting through the gears, I feel rich as a Romney. Welcome as they are, I never find a youngster in the way.

When I go to car shows I see restored vintage autos, new customs, and my favorite, the rat rods. What I don't see are young people.

 

Edweird

(8,570 posts)
44. There is hot rodding going on - it's imports now instead of detroit iron.
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 08:25 AM
Jul 2012

I'm old school myself with an L31 in my suburban.

WillowTree

(5,325 posts)
16. For years I worked in a fabric store.
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 11:51 PM
Jul 2012

Sewing was.......is.......my passion and I really enjoyed being around the yard goods and seeing what was new and learning new techniques. What I enjoyed most was helping customers find just the right pattern or explaining how to make sure that the grids of a plaid would need to be matched or how to pick the right buttons for a coat or interfacing for a blouse.

The last few years I was at the store, though, things were much different. It was rare that someone would come in and buy a pattern and fabric and all the needed notions to make a garment. People just don't take the time to get the sense of accomplishment to actually make something with their own hands anymore. Another thing that I noticed was that any time we would make a sample garment out of a fabric that we wanted to feature.......or one that should have been a big seller and wasn't.......that fabric would sell-out within days after putting the sample on display. I finally realized that it wasn't that people didn't like the goods, they just didn't have a clue what to do with them. No imagination. It was like the line in Mr. Holland's Opus. If all you teach people is how to read and write, after awhile they won't have anything to read and write about.

Very sad really. We're losing the arts of making things with our hands out of wood or clay or fabric. These kids won't know what they're missing.

JohnnyRingo

(18,622 posts)
17. That desrcibes the girl I love.
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 12:02 AM
Jul 2012

She restores chairs, repaints dressers, and knows how to sew. She recently got a machine that cuts stencils using computer software, so while she is computer literate, she strives to make something she can look at with pride. She's also what I consider a gourmet cook, and explores new recipes just for fun. Her holiday dinners are legendary.

I see girls now, my granddaughters included, who could never put down an iPhone long enough to do anything that involves making something with both hands.

gkhouston

(21,642 posts)
21. LOL, every time I buy a pattern and fabric, I always get asked about what I'm making.
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 01:35 AM
Jul 2012

I think that if I had the time/space/money, I'd take up quilting, simply because there are so many beautiful cottons available now.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
25. So true! & All of the fabric stores are gone now. American textiles are also extinct, I believe. nt
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 02:16 AM
Jul 2012

Nay

(12,051 posts)
37. I'm a long-time sewer, quilter, mender, knitter/crocheter too, and one thing I have noticed over
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 06:06 PM
Jul 2012

the years is that fabric, in general, is of much poorer quality today than it was back when I started to sew (@ 1965). It is also much more expensive to buy poor quality fabric compared to buying readymade clothing. It simply doesn't make economic sense now, but it did back then.

Recently I went shopping for quilt fabric for a small quilt I want to make. The cotton fabric available in most fabric stores is thin and poor quality. I'll have to use it, combined with material cut from old clothing, to make my quilt, but the quality will suffer.

In any case, it drives me crazy that young adults can't even conceive how to sew on a button, mend a tear, fix a hem, etc. There is no "hands-on" experience to draw on; even experience in other crafty things will translate into the ability to 'see' what needs to be done with the needle in each of these mending examples, but they simply sit there and stare at the tools, wondering what to do.

This is not good.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
18. Playing Xbox 360 and drinking Monster...
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 12:07 AM
Jul 2012

While complaining they can't find a decent job with their Masters Degree in Political Science.

Ednahilda

(195 posts)
30. Your comment reminds me of a trip to a drug store
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 09:26 AM
Jul 2012

a few years ago. It was shortly before Christmas, the check-out line was long and one haggard teen-ager was manning the only open register. The customer he was serving told him that a purchase had scanned wrong, that this item was 25% off. Well, the poor kid had no idea how to figure 25% off, so he called the slightly-older manager who, armed with a calculator, figured out what 25% of the price was and then subtracted that amount from the price. Problem solved. Except that it would have been even faster to multiply the price by .75 and get the answer in one step. I have always been really, really bad at math, but extremely good at arithmetic, even can do pretty good multiplication and division in my head. (I define "math" as anything that involves letters pretending to be numbers. Never could handle that. Algebra I marked the end of any math career for me.)

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
23. "I couldn't imagine letting them use a drill, let alone a power saw, to do the job themselves,"
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 02:00 AM
Jul 2012

If you couldn't imagine it, how can you expect someone else to? If you aren't prepared to sacrifice a couple of their fingers to their education, where will they ever learn about the sacrifices they must make to learn?

Seriously, I do understand what you mean, but I'm only sorta being facetious. Broke my first tooth following my dad around on a plumbing call when I was 7 or 8. I was soldering with torches by 10 or so. Someone has to step out on a limb for them, even if you risk your grand-parental rights and a lawsuit, maybe jail. That's far easier said than done, but what is the solution?

I sanded the tip off my finger in shop class on a floor-mounted disk sander, around 13 years old. (hint: the grandkids should start with wood, save sheet metal 'till later). We also had a foundry section that semester, drafting, blueprint reading. They should have had a class in air conditioning and electrical theory, had to get those later. Got my masters, then left and spent 20 years with computers and networks. That basic wiring, troubleshooting, electrical, etc. took me further faster in all of that.

Where in the hell did the shop classes go?

You are right to be concerned. These aren't just skills people pick up, it's philosophy. troubleshooting, years of learning things that are quite expensive to teach to adults with no experience. (Not impossible, but who other than government will make the investment?) Some of that learning is tied up with early development, so approaching it as an adult is going to be quite different.

I see nothing over the next 10 to 20 years that could be pointed to as a fix, and suspect we are simply going to lower our valuations of everything for the foreseeable future. Most people will be worse off by not having those skills, and having to learn them on their own when older, I think. Many will die, but a lot will pick up some great education. And perhaps they will create a life outside of the corporate masters they grew up with, start doing for themselves. Might be some jobs teaching people what they are deficient in.

Btw, there is a "Maker" movement, people making, building, programming, doing citizen biology in their garages and closets, with little cells of this all across the nation. "Make Magazine" will start your googling...the grandkids might like some of that. There are bound to be middle school girls interested in engineering stuff, that might attract the boy...(Seriously, some people say I have no boundaries when it comes to getting someone interested in learning. Perhaps <G&gt .

In Summerhill by AS Neill he describes his school. In those pages (I think it was that book, he wrote at least a couple) he describes kids as young as your grandchildren using shop tools, and doing it safely. (The government inspected them). His educational philosophy is interesting, school is still there. The grads seem to be quite happy and productive over the years.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
27. I read Summerhill & also Foxfire. Those books made me daydream about a different way to live & learn
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 02:19 AM
Jul 2012

Ednahilda

(195 posts)
31. Between hubby and me
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 09:37 AM
Jul 2012

there's nothing around here we haven't been able to fix. We repair and install everything with few exceptions, from replacing a car engine (the hoist apparatus we put together was ugly, but it worked), to virtually all home repairs. Only re-roofing was left to the pros. We garden and can, sew, knit, repair electrical, plumbing, build just about everything we need, etc. Our sons grew up with this being the norm; they watched, but none of them wanted to be involved. However, it must have rubbed off, because in recent years the oldest has taught himself to do all of his own car repairs and to build furniture pretty well. The younger two haven't come around yet, but there's still time.

MineralMan

(146,281 posts)
29. Depends on the kids and their environment, I think.
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 09:22 AM
Jul 2012

Where I live, this large neighborhood in a big city, the kids don't have Nintendos and the like. Their parents are working and struggling to pay their mortgages and other stuff. So, whenever the weather permits, the kids are outside, behaving like kids when I was a kid, back in the 1950s. I see them improvising stuff to do and things to do it with. They drag fishing poles out and carry them on their bicycles to the nearby lake. When the bikes are broken, they gather around and get them fixed, so they can stay mobile. Occasionally, they knock on my door to borrow a tool or get some advice, and I occasionally will make a repair they can't handle. The older kids work on their crappy old cars and somehow keep them running. It's a common sight to see a group of teenagers working on a car that's up on ramps or the like. Again, they sometimes borrow tools from me, since they know I have them, and I sometimes offer some advice. I don't fix their cars, though. I don't like working on cars.

My point is that these kids don't have access to a wealth of distracting toys that they can vegetate in front of. They make their own entertainment. What is described in this post is common, but not universal.

Response to MineralMan (Reply #29)

MineralMan

(146,281 posts)
40. I love my very diverse and very family-oriented
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 07:34 PM
Jul 2012

neighborhood. It reminds my of my childhood neighborhood from the 1950s, but I grew up in a small town, and this is a big city neighborhood. Last year, a couple of kindergarten aged girls who live up the street decorated my sidewalk with a big heart that said "Hi, George!" in it. All for saying "Hi!" to them whenever I see them. Pretty cool, I think!

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
33. my state is full of them
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 10:42 AM
Jul 2012

not a village or hamlet without several accomplished ones- and these skills are being passed on from one generation to the next.

Vermont.

Response to cali (Reply #33)

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
41. Are you sure you don't live in Lake Wobegone?
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 07:49 PM
Jul 2012

Evidently all the children in your state are above average..



Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
35. I took away my 16 yo daughter's phone before a road trip
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 05:13 PM
Jul 2012

I took away my 16 yo daughter's phone before a road trip. It's the only punishment she understands anymore, and her misbehavior happened to coincide with a road trip to Yellowstone.

Before we ever started driving home, she thanked me for taking her phone and said she was getting a lot more out of the trip than she would have otherwise.

When we went to Yosemite last month, a long drive from Las Vegas, she turned the phone off and put it in the glovebox on her own.

Maybe organize a "no electronics" camping trip a few times a year? The kids will be begging for stilts by the time it's over. Organize some activities ( fishing, hiking, bird watching, frisbee golf, fire building, plant identification is fun if turned into a competitive game, storytelling, campfire cooking) that are low tech and see where things go. Stargazing sessions while camping have made my daughter and my nephew take a much stronger interest in science. And my whole family, including me, are vehemently anti-gun, but I'll be damned if a bb gun and a .22 weren't my most favorite things in the world.

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
43. My nephew grew up on Starcraft and anime cartoons
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 08:24 AM
Jul 2012

Played soccer for a while until about 5th grade when it got very competitive and the coaches and some parents seemed to think they were training these kids for the Olympics (by screaming at them). It wasn't fun anymore and I don't blame him for walking away.

I got him an electric guitar when he was about 13 and in addition to learning to play it well, he learned to take it all apart, swap out the pick-ups, etc. He got another guitar just to strip, repaint and customize. Now he custom makes and sells items on Etsy as a fulltime career.

One of my colleagues is about 25 now and he is a phenomenal woodworker. Does inlays, builds custom furniture and interiors. Just opened his own boutique hotel with interiors that completely done with reclaimed wood and is booked solid.

The next generation of craftsmen is out there and your grand kids may yet join them. Kids have to see the benefit and feel the satisfaction of being able to something that most can't. (Getting paid for it helps too.) Childhood lasts longer now than when we were growing up and 12 years old is emotionally younger than it used to be (for boys). Don't give up.

 

Egalitarian Thug

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45. It's somewhat satisfying that there are still people that can look further than their next QP&L.
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 08:43 AM
Jul 2012

We've been saying this since the 80's. Off-shoring, out-sourcing, and the perception that people will somehow magically appear with the skills to fill jobs when they are needed.

Who's going to be left in 10 years with the explicit, detailed knowledge of how to run a foundry, when the industry virtually ceases to be and the few remaining devote nothing to educating the next generation?

We have come to believe that teaching skills is somebody else's problem? When schools have no budget for these kinds of programs even if they want to offer them? Business has lost it's survival instinct. It has sacrificed it to squeezing another $.03 p/share in its stock price.

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