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getagrip_already

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41. Society doesn't, and never has, seen it that way....

Reply to DontBelieveEastisEas (Reply #40)

Mon May 20, 2024, 09:13 AM

May 20

Attempted murder has always been separate and apart from actual murder, with different consequences.

Even though the same bullet, fired in the same way, could end in either outcome but for the skill and availability of the responders. Your intent was the same. Society puts a different weight on the penalty based on the outcome.

But society did build in mitigating gates to these rules. You aren't charged with murder if you kill somebody while driving drunk because that wasn't your intent. That's why the charge is manslaughter, a lesser charge. And there are several levels of manslaughter.

So your rights aren't being trampled. Societies rights are being protected. You need to realize that if commit a crime and somebody dies, you will pay for that death.

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Asshole kills two little kids driving drunk... [View all] Archae Apr 21 OP

If you are impaired, DON'T GET BEHIND THE WHEEL!!! yagotme Apr 21 #1

If I may: If you are GOING TO BECOME IMPAIRED, make sure you don't need to drive. RandomNumbers Apr 21 #2

Yes, I agree, if one is a regular drinker, that should be an everyday thought. yagotme Apr 21 #4

Does she deserve more than a drunk driver that didn't kill someone. DontBelieveEastisEas Apr 21 #21

Yes, because results have consequences. RandomNumbers Apr 22 #22

Does a person that accidently discharges a firearm and kills someone deserve more punishment yagotme May 6 #24

Punish intent, not outcome DontBelieveEastisEas May 19 #25

Intent is nearly impossible to prove, at times. yagotme May 20 #42

How awful. There are no words. Srkdqltr Apr 21 #3

The drunk is always XanaDUer2 Apr 21 #5

Not always. Archae Apr 21 #6

Ok XanaDUer2 Apr 21 #8

Not always. Paramedic brother had one too many calls in a week, with injured kids due to drunk driver Attilatheblond Apr 24 #23

This is a horrible tragedy. The worse part of the tragedy is that there is so little affordable help for alcoholics BComplex Apr 21 #7

Not only that, but in 2024 it's easily preventable. Initech Apr 21 #10

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 21 #11

At the very least the bar should call the Uber. Initech Apr 21 #13

It isn't hard, but drunks aren't known for critical thinking skills. RandomNumbers Apr 21 #14

Back about 50 years ago, I knew people who bragged about driving drunk. Archae Apr 21 #19

Obamacare covers alcohol and drug abuse treatment IronLionZion Apr 21 #17

There should be absolutely ZERO excuse for this in 2024. Initech Apr 21 #9

I know the area. The driver had to be going to the boat club as its not a straight road. Srkdqltr Apr 21 #12

How about A*hole driving drunk kills two little kids. Kids were neither drinking nor driving. Wonder Why Apr 21 #15

Sound advice for the suspect: LudwigPastorius Apr 21 #16

If I know I'm going to be drinking, I take transit, rideshare, or walk IronLionZion Apr 21 #18

Wouldn't you want the same punishment of any drunk driver; accident or not. DontBelieveEastisEas Apr 21 #20

I know you aren't arguing for the same punishment when a fatality is involved. Are you? flying_wahini May 19 #27

You seem to be arguing for differnt punishment for the same actions. DontBelieveEastisEas May 19 #28

Manslaughter is a different crime than drunk driving getagrip_already May 19 #30

You are missing the point; the law should be changed, is the point. nt DontBelieveEastisEas May 19 #37

No, it shouldnt... imho getagrip_already May 19 #39

It is more about your actions potential, than the actual consequences of those actions. DontBelieveEastisEas May 20 #40

Society doesn't, and never has, seen it that way.... getagrip_already May 20 #41

Huh? codfisherman May 19 #35

not at all, it is perhaps, the opposite of what you propose. DontBelieveEastisEas May 19 #38

Nowadays there are delivery services that will bring alcohol to your door captain queeg May 19 #26

I wonder how many priors she has. My heart goes out to the families of those children and all the injured. LoisB May 19 #29

DUI/DWI absolutely is a criminal offense getagrip_already May 19 #31

Good to know. I watched a DUI on YouTube where the officer told the offender that it was a "traffic violation and LoisB May 19 #33

According to this, its at least a misdemeaner getagrip_already May 19 #34

Thank you. I see so many stories about these type tragedies where the offender had multiple prior DUI offenses LoisB May 19 #36

Good question. SarahD May 19 #32