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159. According to the UN disclaimer, the number of reported fatalities comes from the Ministry of Health

Sun May 12, 2024, 04:33 PM

May 12

or the Government Media Office in Gaza.

Disclaimer: The UN has so far not been able to produce independent, comprehensive, and verified casualty figures; the current numbers have been provided by the Ministry of Health or Government Media Office in Gaza and the Israeli authorities and await further verification.

Other yet-to-be verified figures are also sourced.

https://www.ochaopt.org/sites/default/files/Gaza_casualties_info-graphic_8_May_2024.pdf

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UN reportedly just cut in half the # of children & women claimed killed in Gaza [View all] mcar May 11 OP

JFC and nobody listened to me. RandySF May 11 #1

MSM breathlessly reported every one of their lies mcar May 11 #2

Last week, a breathless, uncritical MSM believed a Hamas press release lapucelle May 11 #107

They absolutely did mcar May 11 #109

Where is it being reported? womanofthehills May 11 #9

I knew not to trust Hanas RandySF May 11 #14

Here, but it looks the UN changed their reporting. From bodies to positive ID LeftInTX May 11 #16

so they wouldnt b counted as fighters. mopinko May 11 #22

Hamas trains children to expect to be warriors. wnylib May 11 #57

Back when Al Jazeera was actually critical of Hamas. LeftInTX May 11 #63

Yes, very sad. There are other reports of Hamas wnylib May 11 #101

Thanks for clarifying why the numbers changed. Social psychology Earthrise May 11 #50

Thank you for being one of the very few on this thread to see what actually happened with the numbers. Celerity May 12 #140

Kick JustAnotherGen May 13 #182

I did. It's repulsive that Hamas raised the number of deaths just to get people to jump on jimfields33 May 11 #19

Except it claudette May 11 #51

Yes, and there's still a war going on elias7 May 12 #131

There is claudette May 12 #133

Tell this to the true culprits. Beastly Boy May 12 #142

Ok claudette May 12 #150

Ok, OMG, whatever you say Beastly Boy May 12 #151

+1 betsuni May 12 #152

They really didn't need to inflate the numbers William769 May 11 #68

Lots of people were already on that bandwagon, of course. nt RandomNumbers May 12 #139

Because they know there are a lot of useful idiots out there who will carry water for them. Ace Rothstein May 11 #80

I don't take jack shit at face value from a fucking Hamas scumbag shit eating terrorist. SoFlaBro May 12 #114

Not that it minimizes the tragic deaths of victims on all sides Torchlight May 11 #3

That's exactly right mcar May 11 #5

We don't even know who said it womanofthehills May 11 #10

You can go directly to the OCHA data here JustAnotherGen May 12 #145

even that number is probably high by several times..... getagrip_already May 11 #4

Many think the number is low womanofthehills May 11 #11

it's the number reported that is high getagrip_already May 11 #17

Your last paragraph can't be repeated often enough! ShazzieB May 11 #62

List of kids names & ages womanofthehills May 12 #120

You want to tell us who these "many" are? NoRethugFriends May 11 #29

Critical thinkers? AloeVera May 11 #81

I assume you're on the ground there with that knowledge. NoRethugFriends May 11 #93

I think you mean, "Do your own researchers" LOL AnrothElf May 12 #154

Those 'many' being "One person on Twitter saying this and he posts no source"? Torchlight May 11 #36

I keep reading that there's no support for Hamas on DU. yardwork May 11 #6

Yeah, it doesn't track. Cha May 11 #12

How does any of this claudette May 11 #32

It neither justifies, nor attempts to justify Torchlight May 11 #40

Hamas Ghosts are GD fucking Liars that Started This Shit Cha May 11 #41

Ok claudette May 11 #45

. atreides1 May 13 #179

Why? sheshe2 May 11 #77

Why did people start "pro-Palestine" protests mcar May 11 #85

Well organized and funded 'protests'. sheshe2 May 11 #97

It's been a long and well planned campaign, she mcar May 11 #110

Agreed. sheshe2 May 12 #116

Whatever innocent people there are in Palestine... Mountainguy May 11 #86

Well Done, she.. TY for Asking Why to All these Acts of Sadistic Brutality by Geocidal Hamas. Cha May 11 #96

Thanks Cha. sheshe2 May 11 #98

Yes Hamas did.. and Yes to the Rest Cha May 11 #102

Damn straight! All the right questions. Tarheel_Dem May 11 #99

Thank you, Tarheel. sheshe2 May 11 #100

Dear she, it is nothing short of amazing how the aggressor in this whole shitstorm has wound up becoming the victim. Tarheel_Dem May 11 #104

You are right, the aggressor is now the victim. sheshe2 May 12 #113

"Russia, China and Iran". This is why I shake my damn head whenever I hear someone suggest that we should... Tarheel_Dem May 12 #153

And that's the truth Hekate May 11 #46

When posters give a shit about human life iemanja May 11 #58

Hamas considers that acceptable. They created it. yardwork May 12 #135

You think Oct 7 was the beginning of the conflict? iemanja May 12 #162

Duplicate iemanja May 12 #163

I can't see anything JustAnotherGen May 12 #146

It links to a DU post iemanja May 12 #161

Someone pm'd JustAnotherGen May 12 #168

I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell those people. William769 May 11 #72

This. nt mcar May 11 #84

No, that's not support for Hamas... Violet_Crumble May 11 #94

We Knew It.. If Hamas is reporting Hamas is Cha May 11 #7

Gullible and naive folks... That's who. Oopsie Daisy May 11 #69

I'll take option B mcar May 11 #87

Are we supposed to rejoice that it is "only" 20,000? Chainfire May 11 #8

yeah the fact that is less makes the actual butchery ok nt msongs May 11 #23

Here's the actual UN report Bucky May 11 #49

How many of the people, buried under tons of concrete have been counted? Chainfire May 11 #53

how many enid602 May 11 #76

A lie will travel the world... AloeVera May 11 #88

It's not a "UN estimate" of the number of deaths; it's the number of deaths that have been reported lapucelle May 12 #117

If you search that link JustAnotherGen May 12 #147

As I stated in another thread. The Hamas PR machine has been very successful. They've managed to make fools... Tarheel_Dem May 11 #13

The lie had already taken hold, no need to pretend anymore Beastly Boy May 11 #15

israel has only killed half as many children as previously thought prodigitalson May 11 #18

Oh, how very claudette May 11 #28

The Gang Rapists Hamas Ghouls Cha May 11 #37

they killed, so we kill Skittles May 11 #39

Fuck GD Gang Rapists Hamas! Cha May 11 #44

killing kids will do that! Skittles May 11 #79

Fucking Hamas Ghouls Gang Rapist Assholes. Cha May 11 #83

The Jews should just take it Happy Hoosier May 12 #169

it's fucking disgusting Skittles May 11 #38

Actually the OP is misrepresenting the facts of the UN report Bucky May 11 #47

They have removed the April 29th Flash Update entirely JustAnotherGen May 13 #176

Did you believe Hamas' propaganda? mcar May 11 #89

Can't they be more...."aspirational"? brooklynite May 11 #20

K&R betsuni May 11 #21

Wait, but... druidity33 May 11 #24

About a dozen people in the thread have pointed out this most important point Ponietz May 11 #111

Where did the UN say that? Eko May 11 #25

Here ya go... Bucky May 11 #34

Thanks, your link lead to tons of replies of which I dont want to search through to find your anwser. Eko May 12 #118

Did they mention how many kids were homeless and hungry? Chainfire May 11 #26

It wasn't only claudette May 11 #27

As I recall, MSM was reporting whatever mcar May 11 #90

I thought claudette May 11 #103

According to the UN disclaimer, the number of reported fatalities comes from the Ministry of Health lapucelle May 12 #159

We've been saying that the numbers are inflated since the beginning . . . Richard D May 11 #30

The revised total deaths are now 4,959 women and 7,797 children. surfered May 11 #31

All I'm seeing is unsourced tweets and "the UN *reportedly* cut in half" citations. Bucky May 11 #33

UN changed their reporting from bodies to positive ID. Links below are to the UN. LeftInTX May 11 #35

from the top of that same page Bucky May 11 #42

From the bottom of the page. lapucelle May 12 #156

It seems to go in line with this article NavyDem May 11 #43

Interesting. I'll bet it goes lower. Oopsie Daisy May 11 #48

Well, that's a relief. AverageOldGuy May 11 #52

The number of claudette May 11 #54

Is justifying an avenging death a solid path to peace? Torchlight May 11 #66

Not sure what claudette May 11 #71

Often a thousand miles of difference between what seems and what is. Torchlight May 11 #74

You think wars are fought to a certain number and then called off? NickB79 May 11 #70

No, I don't think that claudette May 11 #73

Hamas is a Hydra NickB79 May 11 #108

There are people around the world JustAnotherGen May 12 #157

The best and most foolproof way to avoid civilian casualties . . . Richard D May 11 #55

Yes. mcar May 11 #91

"REPORTEDLY"!! DEAD IS DEAD!! cornball 24 May 11 #56

UN seemingly halves estimate of Gazan women, children killed LetMyPeopleVote May 11 #59

How many deaths of women and children are acceptable? iemanja May 11 #60

How many tortures, gang rapes, burning alive murders mcar May 11 #92

None iemanja May 12 #127

What should Israel have done, then, mcar May 12 #134

Gone after Hamas fighters without annihilating all of Gaza iemanja May 12 #160

I stopped believing a word either side said on October 8 Warpy May 11 #61

UN credibility down the tube. republianmushroom May 11 #64

Also, keep in mind that Hamas fighters common age is 16 to 35 which may count in the children numbers. mymomwasright May 11 #65

Questionable analysis by a JP reporter. AloeVera May 11 #67

But again, the damage is done. AloeVera May 11 #75

Can you plz tell me ilovegamers43 May 12 #129

When all Palestinians are dead? AloeVera May 12 #132

So does this mean all numbers ilovegamers43 May 12 #136

The IDF determines who is Hamas in an unorthodox way. AloeVera May 12 #137

These numbers sound to hard to understand then ilovegamers43 May 12 #138

That is very true. AloeVera May 12 #141

UN Reports are in this thread LeftInTX May 11 #78

Thanks. AloeVera May 11 #82

60% non-combatant casualties is pretty low for modern conflicts NickB79 May 11 #95

It's more like 1.67... druidity33 May 12 #130

You can search backwards at this link JustAnotherGen May 12 #148

Thank you! AloeVera May 12 #149

This OP is the kind of internet misinformation Hillary Clinton recently warned about... Think. Again. May 11 #105

Best and most concise response in this entire depressing thread Ponietz May 11 #112

Point to a worthwhile argument which relies upon an exact number RockRaven May 11 #106

This! nt ecstatic May 13 #184

Important question that don't know the answer to about HAMAS ilovegamers43 May 12 #115

Where in the OP was that stated? sheshe2 May 12 #121

Just curious ilovegamers43 May 12 #122

Okay. sheshe2 May 12 #123

Its just when looking at numbers ilovegamers43 May 12 #124

No. sheshe2 May 12 #126

Uh, that does not say what you think it does. Those people are dead. The number of dead people has not changed. Eko May 12 #119

Does that make the deaths of the innocents by the killers a positive act? Ping Tung May 12 #125

The UN had better watch their step DFW May 12 #128

n/s JustAnotherGen May 12 #158

I posted the UN page yesterday JustAnotherGen May 12 #143

Thanks mcar May 12 #144

That lists 34,000 civilian deaths iemanja May 12 #171

I failed to read the small print. iemanja May 13 #173

Ah - you got it! JustAnotherGen May 13 #175

I'd like to know the age range of the "children" EX500rider May 12 #155

All 18 yr olds are not Hamas fighters iemanja May 12 #164

And conversely no 18 year olds are children EX500rider May 12 #165

Then they wouldn't be counted as children iemanja May 12 #166

They shouldn't be counted as children EX500rider May 12 #167

This thread is about the UN's numbers iemanja May 12 #170

The small print does show the count of children dead iemanja May 13 #174

As of today, the UN has not cut its estimates of total fatalities iemanja May 12 #172

Oh yeah, 7000 dead kids is soooooo awesome... ExciteBike66 May 13 #177

Who said that, who said it was about "brown kids"? betsuni May 13 #181

A LOT of DUers fell for it hook line and sinker. BannonsLiver May 13 #178

Hamas Dorian Gray May 13 #180

But that's who has JustAnotherGen May 13 #183

I can't believe that some people are taking a victory lap over this. ecstatic May 13 #185

Fox News is reporting these facts LetMyPeopleVote May 13 #186

The Report didn't change the the number dead Always Blue May 16 #187