Can the GOP peel off significant Jewish votes from Biden? Yes, like almost always, thanks to messaging!

[tableturner]

It shouldn't be that way, but a familiar pattern is being repeated that allows the GOP to make something big that favors them out of next to nothing, while Democrats allow something big that favors them to devolve into almost nothing, at least on a relative basis.

Think about it...the party that overwhelmingly supports a presidential candidate who dines with Nazis; who said some of the Charlottesville Nazis were "good people"; who is closely associated with white nationalists like Bannon, et al; who positively interacts with racist/antisemitic/white nationalist groups like the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers; THAT party is right now getting away with casting Biden and the Democrats as antisemitic and anti-Israel!

How? By having almost all GOP spokespeople constantly hogging the airways with that vile message ever since Biden withheld weapons and made the point to Israel that they needed to minimize damage to civilians and not to go into Rafah. Yes, they are out there in droves, all delivering the same false message.

It's happening because we do not have a flood of Democratic voices who, in a coordinated way, are making the point that I made in the second paragraph of this post with the ferocity typically shown by Republicans: How can the party that overwhelmingly supports a presidential candidate who dines with Nazis; who said some of the Charlottesville Nazis were "good people"; who is closely associated with white nationalists like Bannon, et al; who positively interacts with racist/antisemitic/white nationalist groups like the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers; how can THAT party cast Biden and the Democrats as antisemitic and anti-Israel?

We need to be POUNDING them with the realities as delineated in the prior paragraph, and we need to be doing it HARD and CONSTANTLY! We need to put forth the proposition that THEY are the party supporting, surrounded by, and supported by, Nazis, antisemites, and white nationalists, BECAUSE THAT IS THE TRUTH! Like usual, we are letting them beat us with their messaging, thanks to our usual milquetoast approach to political warfare.

And, damn it, we already let them beat us with their messaging surrounding the campus protests! Imagine, Elise Stefanik trashing colleges and college presidents regarding antisemitism while she supports that Nazi loving GOP candidate for president, and we let her get away with it! Where were the Democrats during those hearings who repeatedly, verbally, and harshly slapped her down for the hypocrisy she showed that day? They were, on a relative basis, intimated and cowed, and they let Stefanik and the other Republicans get away with it!

ENOUGH!

[keithbvadu2]

1. RWs hate both Jews and Muslims. They can play both against Biden.

[Think. Again.]

2. I suspect that's what all the false accusations...

...of leftwing anti-semitism are about.

[JohnSJ]

5. Not all of it is false accusations. The truth is both the leftwing and the rightwing have a "Jewish problem"

and I mean with antisemitism

[Think. Again.]

6. I'm talking about all the fake attempts...

...to stir up trouble at the protests, being made by instigators creating problems where no problem exists.

And then all the rightwingers in the public piling on and amplifying it.

[JohnSJ]

7. No doubt about that.

[maxrandb]

8. That is such "effing" bothsides bullshit

Are there some asshats that call themselves "Democrats"? Sure.

But here's the damn difference.

It's a small minority, and the Democratic Party does a great job of keeping their crazy aunts and uncles locked up in the attic.

The Retrumplican Party makes their Nazis presidents, federal judges, senators, congressman, governors and senior White House advisors.

Want to know the difference between an antisemetic Democrat and an antsemitic Retrumplican?

The anti-semitic Retrumplican has the power of the party behind him.

One of these is NOT like the other. Let's stop pretending they are.

[JohnSJ]

17. First of all I never mentioned "Democratic" or Republican Party. Most are aware of the antisemitism on the right, but

the dirty little secret is the antisemitism on the left.

It surfaced during the Women's March movement, it surfaced from Nina Turner's "evil money" comment when she lost the election against Rep. Shontel Brown, even though her campaign raised significantly more money than Brown. I could go on, but instead I will provide this quote from the Department of State:

"One of the most striking aspects of antisemitism today is its ability to transcend traditional ideological boundaries. Simply put, antisemitism is a hatred that can be described as a horseshoe where the far-left and the far-right are closer to one another on the issue of antisemitism than they are to the center. In fact, recent studies have shown that a better predictor of antisemitism is not a right or left-wing perspective but a conspiratorial worldview and a penchant for authoritarian type of government. Rather than the right-left dichotomy, a more accurate predictor of antisemitic worldviews is the adherence to conspiratorial worldviews, anti-hierarchical aggression, and a preference for authoritarianism. This, of course, can describe someone at either end of the political spectrum. This might help us understand how people with conflicting views on a host of – if not all – other issues converge on antisemitism."

https://www.state.gov/from-right-to-left-and-in-between-jew-hatred-across-the-political-divide/

[maxrandb]

19. Bullshit

This is directly from your post!

"a better predictor of antisemitism is not a right or left-wing perspective but a conspiratorial worldview and a penchant for authoritarian type of government."

This "right and left bend to meet at anything" is complete horseshit.

I have said this before. "There are fascists, racists and anti-semites in both of our political parties, but there is only ONE American political party that mainstreams it.

I am a DEMOCRAT for a variety of reasons, but perhaps the most important one is that there is no frickin way a despicable amphibian turd like Donnie Dipshit would be selected as the leader of the Democratic Party.

Hitler could have done nothing without the enabling, support and complicity of the National Socialists German Worker's Party behind him.

This stupid "right and left meet at some vin diagram point" is like saying "the Germany Nazi Party and its German opposition parties meet at "x".

There is only ONE American political party that refuses to accept election results.

There is only ONE American political party that is skewing our courts like the Nazis did.

There is only ONE American political party that has a Project 2025 mirrored after The Enabling Act.

And there is only ONE American political party arguing, (IN THE COURTS IT HAS SKEWED), that its leader has the legal right to ASSASSINATE HIS POLITICAL OPPONENTS!

Sorry, but THAT is why your bothsides bullshit cannot be allowed to stand.

[JohnSJ]

20. bullshit back to you buddy. This was my original post that you responded to me on:

"Not all of it is false accusations. The truth is both the leftwing and the rightwing have a "Jewish problem"
and I mean with antisemitism"

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218943890#post5

You want to deny that there is antisemitism on the left, go right ahead, but I am done having a discussion with you.

Go rant to someone else who cares, not someone else who has experienced it.

As far as I am concerned you are rude, and I will not engage with you anymore.

[maxrandb]

21. The "leftwing" does NOT have an antisemitism problem

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because the leadership of the "leftwing" in America does not, has not, and never will, support, enable, codify, or promote antisemitism.

That cannot be said about the right wing in America.

This is the worst kind of bothsiderism, because it pretends to operate in a vacuum. It takes a small smattering of "the left" and attempts to slander "the left", despite the fact that the leadership of the left leaning party (the actual ELECTED representatives of the left leaning party) rejects, denounces and condemns antisemitism...COMPLETELY and UNEQUIVOCALLY.

Describing it as a "problem on the left", or something where "the right and left bend and meet", is like saying "a heroin addict and a guy that has an occasional beer, bend and meet at substance abuse".

It's ridiculous, and all it does is excuse the actual problem...an entire political party is promoting an ACTUAL FRICKIN NAZI as their standardbearer.

[Cha]

25. 10/08/2023 A pro-Pal rally Sunday in Times Square endorsed by the city chapter of the Democratic Socialists of America

A pro-Palestinian rally Sunday in Times Square endorsed by the city chapter of the Democratic Socialists of America ensnared prominent party members amid widespread condemnation of the event.

Gov. Kathy Hochul and other leading Democrats blasted the rally as “abhorrent and morally repugnant” and drew a dividing line with far-left members of the party — including New York Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Jamaal Bowman, who denounced the attacks and called for a ceasefire but didn’t take a stand on the rally.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/08/nyc-palestine-rally-democrats-israel-00120533

[Cha]

24. 10/08/2023 A pro-Pal rally Sunday in Times Square endorsed by the city chapter of the Democratic Socialists of America

A pro-Palestinian rally Sunday in Times Square endorsed by the city chapter of the Democratic Socialists of America ensnared prominent party members amid widespread condemnation of the event.

Gov. Kathy Hochul and other leading Democrats blasted the rally as “abhorrent and morally repugnant” and drew a dividing line with far-left members of the party — including New York Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Jamaal Bowman, who denounced the attacks and called for a ceasefire but didn’t take a stand on the rally.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/08/nyc-palestine-rally-democrats-israel-00120533

[maxrandb]

28. Ahem...AOC did denounce the bigotry of the rally

Also from Politico

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/10/aoc-pro-palestine-nyc-rally-00120684

"It should not be hard to shut down hatred and antisemitism where we see it. That is a core tenet of solidarity,” said Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y), one of six DSA members in Congress, in a statement late Monday — her first comments on the rally.

“The bigotry and callousness expressed in Times Square on Sunday were unacceptable and harmful in this devastating moment. It also did not speak for the thousands of New Yorkers who are capable of rejecting both Hamas’ horrifying attacks against innocent civilians as well as the grave injustices and violence Palestinians face under occupation,” she said.

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Additionally, the DSA has a whole 6 members in all of Congress, and IS NOT the Democratic Party.

Meanwhile, an actual frickin Nazi is the most powerful Retrumplican on the planet, placed in that position BY AN OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF THE RIGHT-LEANING PARTY in America.

You can see the difference, can't you?

[Cha]

30. Of course I read it.. and Good for her Denouncing Democratic Socialists of America

the "Far left" Assholes of America.

“The rally — attended by more than 1,000 pro-Palestine backers, who chanted “Resistance is justified when people are occupied” — highlighted differences over how progressive members responded to the attacks.

The NYC-DSA is revealing itself for what it truly is: an antisemitic stain on the soul of America’s largest city,” Bronx Rep. Ritchie Torres wrote on X. “There is a special place in hell for those who glorify the cold-blooded murder of civilians and children.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/08/nyc-palestine-rally-democrats-israel-00120533

[LiberalFighter]

3. The GOP is not likely to peel off many.

The party has the resources and know where they are to message them. They know where they are down to congressional districts. Even cities. They know the location of synagogues and rabies. Those that have supported Democrats would not be watching right wing news.

In all likelihood those that have voted Republican will be peeled away when the Nazis and other elements of Trump are shown.

[LeftInTX]

9. Going after the rabies vote?? LOL That's a first. USDA has new pet quarantine laws!

(I know it's a typo, but couldn't help but LOL)

[JohnSJ]

4. No they won't. Most American Jews are not single issue voters. On the other hand I have serious doubts

if the young, or those on the left will vote for Biden. They may not vote for trump, but they might play the same game they did in 2016, either vote third party or not vote.

However, let's assume the OPs speculation has merit. Population wise American Jews and American Muslims do not make up a large percentage of voters, and as long as Women, African Americans, and Democrats get out and vote, it shouldn't matter.

[Behind the Aegis]

10. It is just another cog in the preparation to blame Jews if Biden loses.

This has been an underlying current with a few here, but much more in the larger blog-o-sphere. Set it up to make this "The Jews cost us the election!" Every fucking election....every fucking one....where Dems lost, we see articles blaming the "Jewish voters". Hell, there was one, several years back, where the Dems won and there was still an article blaming Jews because the lecetion was "too close".

[B.See]

11. I for one wouldn't be blaming Jews any more than

I'd be blaming pro-Palestine voters, or for that matter, any disaffected voter of any other demographic -

as much as I'd be blaming an overall lack of foresight as to what's most at stake, and an abject FAILURE of them all to take a pragmatic approach to achieving the GREATER OBJECTIVE: the prevention of the end of democracy under a fascist dictatorship

The op asked, How can the party that overwhelmingly supports a presidential candidate who dines with Nazis; who said some of the Charlottesville Nazis were "good people"; who is closely associated with white nationalists like Bannon, et al; who positively interacts with racist/antisemitic/white nationalist groups like the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers; how can THAT party cast Biden and the Democrats as antisemitic and anti-Israel?

How? The answer to his question is illustrated in how those FACTS get little response and are dismissed or ignored

in favor of endless back and forth, finger pointing, accusations and bickering over Israel and Palestine -while MAGATS sit back and laugh.

My prediction is a lot of people (on both sides of the argument) are going to get pissed off because they can't have it their way, they'll get their asses up on their shoulders like some did (we know how many) years ago, they'll fk around, and they'll find out.

[Behind the Aegis]

12. You may not, but that doesn't jive with MY experience.

I don't like others telling me what I have seen isn't really what I have seen. Just because the right is anti-Semitic, and you will get NO argument from me on that fact, it doesn't mean anti-Semitism doesn't exist on OUR side. I will call out anti-Semitism. PERIOD! You?

Finally, I don't see scores of Jews screeching, "We aren't voting for 'Genocide Joe'." Even with recent events, I have yet to see any Jews on the left claim, "Well, that does it, it is a "NO" vote for Joe!" This is just another "they are more loyal to Israel" type of trope.

As a Jew, I have actually confronted Jews on the right and explained to them, if they really are "all about Israel", then it is JOE BIDEN who is the better candidate because he is ACTUALLY pro-Israel, he is ACTUALLY pro-Jew. Of course, Biden's record is far and above that of the former Squatter-n-Cheat. It is like comparing Kobe Beef to shit scrapped off a shoe.

So, I, like MANY Jews, are still "Ridin' with Biden" and that isn't going to change, so shitty OP's like this, really piss me off.

ETA: The reality is this, it isn't THE JEWS likely to not vote for Biden, it is the extremists who screech "Genocide Joe" who will not vote "to send a message" or vote 3rd party; so take it up with them!

[B.See]

18. I'm not questioning your experience on the matter,

I'm just stating my perspective, as a person who will not be, as you suggest, blaming Jews in particular for... well, anything.

As for whether I call out anti-Semitism when I see it, or any other kind of hate speech for that matter, my record speaks for itself. Look it up.

What I have said is I don't mind calling out anyone who may fence sit, or engage in some silly assed protest vote that might result in installing a fascist in the Oval Office, especially those of a demographic who would have the most to lose from such folly. And I'm speaking of minorites in general

including fellow Black folk (like Tim Scott) who work to put a Black face on white supremacy. which is, imo, assholery at its finest.

We can't afford that nor voters doing stupid shit like sitting it out and such because this time the stakes are too high.

So yes, I tend to be VERY critical of that kind of...betrayal (which is what it'd be, imo) and maybe some don't like that.

But at least I'm all 'equal opportunity and sht' as to who I'll be calling out.

[LeftInTX]

14. Iranian-Americans are extremely anti-Hamas. I think they might go for Trump

Reza Pahlavi (Shah's son) is a frequent commentator on Fox. They really can't stand the protesters. In the past they've voted Democratic. They all seem to have money, so I don't think safety nets etc. are a big issue to them.

There is also an Iranian SM personality and she has flipped to conservative because well all these protester.

The protester stuff. anti-Israel, pro-Palestine is driving all of us who were opposed to Ayatollah Khomeini crazy. (Now if it was Fatah and PA, just seeking a peaceful independence Iranians would probably fully support it. ) But this crazy BS.

Iranians think the protesters or anyone supporting Hamas are stupid. So does Son of Hamas. Well so do I. I can't see how people can support an Islamic Republic like Iran replacing Israel. It's beyond comprehension.

Dr Phil is trying to wake parents and grandparents up about what's going on with these protesters. (Another conservative)
Iranians have been commenting on his YouTube.

Those of us who have followed Middle East affairs for decades are scared.

Iranians are a small population.

I also think some Jews will flip to Trump,

[Behind the Aegis]

15. "I also think some Jews will flip to Trump,"

Democratic ones? No.

[Happy Hoosier]

22. I agree with you....

...ant American Jews who would vote for Trump are already doing so. I'm not worried about that at all.

My concern is moderate non-Jews who see these encampments as lawless and the apparent support for them among some Democrats.

[JohnSJ]

16. That is an excellent point BTA, and does follow a consistent pattern of antisemitism.

[LiberalFighter]

31. They could make a difference in some states.

The DNC will focus on the areas needed.

[betsuni]

13. "Democrats allow"

[Torchlight]

23. I'm fully confident trump will further piss off this demographic

and piss off his few remaining chances to get any traction.

And as the majority of polling data at this point in the game is used mainly just to prop up one, or weaken another argument, or used as an excuse to infuse unsupported doubts into the race for its own sake, it's become a wearisome task to see them as anything other than a sampled snapshot of one instant in time.

[kimbutgar]

26. Run tv ads in Jewish communities and on websites frequented by Jewish people showing the Charlottesville rally

And the orange turd saying they are good people. There so so much video and audio out there showing the turd is anti Jewish.

I trust President Biden’s smart media team will highlight this. I really don’t think with the RNC taken over by Lara liverlips will the media team the DNC has!

[Demsrule86]

27. Stop attacking Democrats if you please. Trashing.

[LakeArenal]

29. Exactly which Democrats are bad at messaging?

To those who believe that, may I suggest they YouTube the following:
Raskin
Moskowitz
AOC
Crocket
Swallwell
Gallego
Pelos I
Lee
SCHIFF
Garcia
Waters
And so many more.

[kacekwl]

32. Nonsense

In my opinion anyone who will vote for trump or any of the other clowns would have done so anyway.