Bernie should run again

[LeftLife]

If there has ever been a time for UBI, it is now!

[RandySF]

1. For president? We already have a nominee.

Joe Biden.

[we can do it]

2. He is running for senate and supports Biden.

[brooklynite]

7. Bernie has never advocated for UBI. Neither does any other Democratic leader

[aeromanKC]

3. Agree, another term would be great!!

The Senate and country will miss him.

[Mme. Defarge]

4. So,

Bernie will be 87 in 2028.

[RandomNumbers]

5. He was born in 1941. Vermont needs to find a new Bernie for 2030.

He has already announced he is running this year for a new Senate term, and supporting Biden for President.

If he runs again in 2030 I want some of whatever elixir of youth he is using.

[bucolic_frolic]

9. elixir ... Bernie Juice

[bucolic_frolic]

6. He's gotten his issues out there pretty well, I can't see the benefit

for another Presidential run for Bernie. Do hope he does some progressive barnstorming though. And he is running for Senate again.

[NanaCat]

12. There is no benefit, because too few support him

At a national level.

His base is the privileged white dudebro contingent. That might be enough to give him a keynote at an anime convention, but it's not enough to become POTUS.

[brooklynite]

8. If this is about running for President, he can't

You can’t get in to the race this late.

[tritsofme]

10. LOL, run for what?

[NanaCat]

11. Why? Who would vote for him, besides privileged white males?

Most women and minorities have no use for him. Right wingers hate him. Anti-Semites especially hate him.

He has no actual record to run on, because crafting legislation has never been his strong suit.

It took a shocking level of delusion to think he would ever win anything outside of Vermont.

[MutantAndProud]

13. Too far. He almost won the nomination previously

With a massive coalition with appeal well beyond frat bro saboteurs from our own ranks

[brooklynite]

19. No, he never "almost won the nomination".

[oasis]

45. (1) "almost" never happened.

(2) never gonna happen.

[Cha]

50. No he Didn't.

[Tarheel_Dem]

18. THIS !

[betsuni]

38. There was a big misunderstanding of who the Democratic base actually is (working class, women, minorities).

[NBachers]

14. Run. . . for what?

[Ping Tung]

16. Socialismm never took root in America because

Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.”
John Steinbeck

Sad but mostly true. The American Dream is false advertising for the vast majority of people who want to strike it rich despite the fact that the rich aren't about to give up what they inherited from their ancestors.

[former9thward]

24. Like almost all famous quotes Steinbeck never said that.

It turns out, the line actually comes from a book by Ronald Wright. As for what Wright is referring to, it seems to come from this section of an article Steinbeck wrote called A Primer on the 30s which chronicled his life during The Great Depression:

"Except for the field organizers of strikes, who were pretty tough monkeys and devoted, most of the so-called Communists I met were middle-class, middle-aged people playing a game of dreams. I remember a woman in easy circumstances saying to another even more affluent: 'After the revolution even we will have more, won't we, dear?' Then there was another lover of proletarians who used to raise hell with Sunday picknickers on her property.

"I guess the trouble was that we didn't have any self-admitted proletarians. Everyone was a temporarily embarrassed capitalist. Maybe the Communists so closely questioned by the investigation committees were a danger to America, but the ones I knew — at least they claimed to be Communists — couldn't have disrupted a Sunday-school picnic. Besides they were too busy fighting among themselves."

Steinbeck wasn't calling out poor Americans, he was calling out champagne socialists

https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/lx9us6/the_temporarily_embarrassed_millionaires_quote_is/

The point being that in modern times we have very few permanently poor and even fewer that think of themselves in that manner. Most people are middle class.

[Silent3]

39. Thanks for the background info on the original Steinbeck quote. Nevertheless, I think the bastardized version...

...still has a point.

It might be true that "we have very few permanently poor and even fewer that think of themselves in that manner", but plenty of people are very unhappy about their financial circumstances, live paycheck-to-paycheck, and are floored when unexpected expenses like car repairs of a few hundred dollars come along.

It might not be the grinding poverty you find in under-developed countries, but it's far from pleasant.

Among many of those people there doesn't seem to be a strong drive to tax the rich and spread the wealth. Or, if that sentiment is there, it's dwarfed by thinking immigrants and minorities are stealing their jobs and their money. They'll keep voting for Republicans who happily harp on those imagined dangers rather than taxing and regulating their rich buddies.

How many of that sort are also thinking about the day they themselves will be rich, and who want to be coddled the same as other rich people are now when they make it big, is hard to say. It's probably more than a handful.

Republican-voting small business owners are very much like that.

[brooklynite]

41. Of course socialism never took root anywhere else...

[Ping Tung]

46. Except for most of Europe.

Socialism is like Christianity or vegetables. A lot of different flavors, colors, roots.

It's brands are very subjective and relative. Steinbeck scorned the American Communists because they were dogmatic to the point of being just like hardcore Christian Evangelists. True Believers. Purists.

Emma Goldman the famous radical turned against Soviet style Communism and violent revolution declared at one point "If I can't dance, I don't want your revolution."

[brooklynite]

47. As much as Bernie Sanders tries to sell it, "Democratic Socialism" isn't a thing

All of Europe are healthy capitalist nations with social safety nets. They even have millionairesand billionaires.

SOCIALISM (noun):
a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
— Oxford English Dictionary

[betsuni]

48. This is correct, it isn't a thing.

[Ping Tung]

53. Neither is any political party.

I've been a registered Democrat since 1965 when I turned 21. I didn't have to sign a Loyalty Oath of Allegiance to it. I wasn't compelled to abide by any rules or support any one or any presented issue. We no longer register or vote by party in my state (Washington).

Political parties are simply labels that can suggest certain ideals and attempt to persuade voters to vote for their nominees.

The same goes for Socialists, Republicans, and Democrats. I've known many registered Democrats who see themselves as liberals, moderates, conservatives, socialists, communists, etc. It's up to the individuals to decide who, or what party, to vote for, based on their own ideals or for any number of other reasons like which candidate is the best looking or knows the most about carpentry.

I'm a registered Democrat who won't vote for any candidate from any party who doesn't support civil rights, or public education, or women's abortion rights.

Over the years I've learned to hold my nose and vote for candidates for purely political reasons or settle for the lesser of two evils.

Of Bernie Sanders calls himself a Socialist and sticks to supporting issues that conform to what is said to Socialist, I'm likely to agree with him. Whether he lives up to what you conceive as "socialist" that's fine.

I'd rather think for myself that be dictated to by a party or any individual on who or what to vote for.

How about you?

[lindysalsagal]

17. Please, let's not repeat this argument.

[senseandsensibility]

20. Love Bernie, but I really see NO upside

to this.

[elocs]

22. Absolutely NOT!!! Sanders is way too smart to do that and potentially cost Biden the election.

I think that Sanders knows that his candidacy helped to cost Hillary the election and that even though he dropped out and endorsed her he seemed to damn her with faint praise. NPR even had a story that said 10-12% of the BoBs actually voted for Trump to teach Democrats a lesson for not nominating Sanders.
Too often getting Democrats united is like herding cats. Having Bernie run again at this point is one of the most stupid suggestions I have ever heard here.

[Attilatheblond]

32. Yep. Bernie has accepted his nitch as advocate, and the Bros need to do likewise

[LeftInTX]

23. Third party candidate? Can't run as a Democrat, it's too late.

[marble falls]

26. Oh yeah, let's split the party just as we're about to beat the GOP. 2016 should have taught us a lesson.

[Danmel]

25. What is UBI?

[marble falls]

31. Universal Basic Income. It's a very good idea. Minimum wage started out a starting point and became a life sentence ...

... a boundary of minimal treatment and maximum income cap.

[brooklynite]

42. Universal Basic Income is an academic concept with no basis in economic reality...

Advocates will point to micro applications which are closer to welfare expansion than anything else (“Universal” means absolutely everyone, up to and including billionaires are supposed to get the e same benefit) and nobody has presented a mechanism to scale up to a national population.

[WhiteTara]

27. He's running for the Senate.

[Cha]

28. I thought he was running for Senator Again.

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I know you don't mean anything else.

Pres Joe Biden 4 More Years.. Thank Goodness Biden is our President!!!

[TBF]

29. UBI - Universal Basic Income. With love I respond "no" - and I am one of his biggest fans.

I gave a lot of $$ to him during his runs and I agree with him on nearly every issue (including Israel).

He can run for Senate & he is very good there. He will probably win again despite his advanced age, and frankly he should because he isn't showing signs of cognitive decline.

As for dems after Biden, we have his obvious VP and we need to start working on that bench and putting attention on the up and comers.

But please no more spoilers, worm brain guy is bad enough.

[Freethinker65]

30. Satire?

[mahina]

33. He already decided.

Come on.

[FrenchCitizen]

34. No.

I respect Bernie greatly. I voted for him in the 2016 primary and supported him in 2020, but now is not the time. I still have family in America, and I'm absolutely terrified, especially for the young girls and women, of what will happen if Biden does not win in November. There cannot be a split or division about candidates this cycle, especially this late in the election season.

Many may not like it, but it is absolutely crucial to rally around Joe. Do everything you can to support him and get others to vote and support him, too.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

35. I think that Sanders is running for Senate

I would not support him if he ran for POTUS . I remember the 2016 National Convention too well.

[mopinko]

36. since u r new, i will tell u

that this is a battle that nearly tore this place apart. it’s y during primaries there is a separate forum for discussions of candidate. and also y we have a rule against re-fighting the last primary.
personally, i wish he wasnt running for senate again. he does nothing. he’s lucky biden has taken up so many of his issues.

[Think. Again.]

37. Great News! He IS running again!...

Bernie Sanders to run for fourth term in US Senate

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/06/bernie-sanders-reelection-senate

[LiberaBlueDem]

40. Yes, Bernie is running again.

He came up just shy of being the presidentin 2020.

Biden has done a lot of what Bernie would have done and with another 6 years of the two of them in power more will be done. If Biden had not delivered as well as he has, Bernie would be well positioned to run for president again. As it is, he doesn't have to run because Biden will deliver even more.

[mvd]

43. My dream is for him to be President but his time has passed

Hopefully someone from the younger progressives will run after Biden’s second term. Need Bernie in the Senate and President Biden re-elected.

[Skittles]

44. HELL FUCKING NO

[berniesandersmittens]

49. Nope.

[Deep State Witch]

51. Welcome To DU

Enjoy your stay.

[Skittles]

54. yup

pretty obvious

[tazkcmo]

52. Why? nt

[Groundhawg]

55. As much as i love bernie, please no.