Protesters shout 'babykillers' at Jewish elementary school children

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

Jewish elementary school children in upstate New York were told that their parents were “complicit in genocide” and “baby killers” by protestors who also blocked the road last week, according to a New York Post report.

Bryce Gruber, a mother of children at the Woodstock Elementary School, told The Post, “They were screaming at the kids and anyone who tried to get across or got near them.”

Gruber, a mother of five, shared on Instagram that she struggled to explain to her children why the protestors were shouting such things at them. She also revealed that, as a result of the protests, the children were unable to go outside for recess.

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Gruber confronted the protesters, including a man who had been recording her and her 7-year-old son and 5-year-old daughter. She alleges that he threatened to upload their images onto a “Zionist Jew watchlist.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/nyc-protesters-shout-babykillers-at-jewish-elementary-school-children/ar-BB1meAO6

[sarisataka]

1. Judenhass

[PCIntern]

2. "By the time we got to Woodstock...

We were half a million strong
And everywhere there was a song
And a celebration…”


Yeah…not so much.

Fuckers. Doing that to anyone much less children.

[Biophilic]

3. That is just so f'king wrong!

These are not legitimate protestors. They are after excitement and notoriety. It's the thrill. They truly disgust me. You don't attack children. Especially with something this removed from them. Disgusting people.

[keithbvadu2]

4. Yet these protesters don't mind Hamas killing Jewish babies on Oct 7.

Are these protesters more of Trump's republicans?

Trump's republicans support Hamas' policy of killing more Jews.

[RandomNumbers]

5. I'm getting so tired of the self-righteous meanness.

Can we please leave that to the other political party?

[LiberalFighter]

6. So many bad people

Attacking kids is so wrong.

Why don't they move to Gaza and eliminate Hamas? Or do they support them?

[Chainfire]

7. Lets weigh the situation:

On one side of the scales, assholes demonstrating in front of a Jewish school.

On the other side, the goverenment dropping bombs on schools.

Folks, that does not balance.

[sarisataka]

8. UnFUCKINGbelievable nt

[Sympthsical]

9. Incredibly believable

Believe them.

[Behind the Aegis]

15. Can't have a thread about anti-Semitism against Americans without the obligatory....

..."b-b-but, WHATABOUT Israel!"

[ColinC]

36. It isn't actually a thread about anti semitism

It’s a thread trying to broadly imply that people who are against dropping bombs on schools are anti semitic because some people (who happen to agree with them) happen to have said anti semitic things. The thread is a classic Association Fallacy.

[Demsrule86]

77. No that is not it. Protesting at an American school for Jewish kids who have nothing to do with the war and calling

them baby killers among other things...is anti-Jewish bigoted behavior. And it is disgraceful and disgusting. I wouldn't have thought anyone here would defend this atrocity. I think every one of the protestors should be arrested, charged ETC. What happens when someone with a gun shows up?

[Demsrule86]

80. Oh and one more thing is a thread about antisemitism.

[Dorian Gray]

90. No...

this thread is about these people harassing kids at a school in Woodstock.

[Ocelot II]

151. It's a thread about people harassing little *Jewish* kids at a school in Woodstock,

for no apparent reason other than that the kids are Jewish. If that isn't antisemitism I don't know what is.

[Behind the Aegis]

104. It very much IS a thread about anti-Semitism.

Your response is yet ANOTHER excuse.

[Demsrule86]

79. I had no idea anti-semitism was still such a problem...defendiing scaring kids? There is no excuse for this sort of

thing

[Chainfire]

10. I presume, from your comment that you believe that the protest is the worse of the two.

Different folks have differet ideas about the degrees of right and wrong.

[sarisataka]

24. PLEASE explain to me

What is the connection between Jewish children in the United States and the war against Hamas?

[EllieBC]

124. They don't have an answer.

They never do because they’d have to admit they are antisemites,

[NickB79]

25. Protesting little children, on a playground, in America

Who have fuck-all to do with Gaza or Israel, except to have been born Jewish.

Jesus Christ.

[Chainfire]

40. You know exactly why they are protesting. I am not apoligizing for them targeting a school,

but I sure as hell understand why they are doing it.

So you are outraged, and rightly so, about Jewish children being frightened, I get that and sympathise. Do you have any outrage for the kids being killed in Gaza who's only sin is that they were born in Palestine or do those children, somehow, not matter as much as the ones at the school in question?

My position has nothing to do with religion as I am not religious, it has nothing to do with Nationalism as I am not a Nationalist, I am not anti-Semtic as I have always liked the few Jews that I have come in contact with, but it does have something to do with human decency. It is not a decent thing to do to frighten children, but it is horrible to bomb them in their schools and homes. That is why the protestors are there; but you know that, right?

I don't know why you envoked Jesus Christ at the end of your post, because what happened at the school and is happening everyday in Gaza has nothing to do with the teachings of Jesus.

[NickB79]

42. Where have I heard that before?

I am not anti-Semtic as I have always liked the few Jews that I have come in contact with

Just like someone can't be racist as long as they have a Black friend, right?

[Chainfire]

48. There are no Jews where I live, it is not my fault.

There is not even a Synagogue in my county. Don't take my word for it, search Synagouge in Gadsden County Florida. I don't have any Native American neighbors either, so accuse me of hating them too... I don't have any Jewish friends because I don't know any Jews; by the same token, I don't have any Jewish enemies either, so you can take your racist dog-whistle acqusations somewhere else.

[Dorian Gray]

94. Broaden your horizons

[AZSkiffyGeek]

51. You'[ve met some nice Jews so you aren't antisemitic

That isn't the flex you think it is.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

69. Welcome to DU

You're out of line by pretty much calling Chainfire a Nazi, I would urge you to delete this post.

68. Dead children
Reply to Chainfire (Reply #40)
Sun May 12, 2024, 04:06 PM
Nazis murdered over 1.5 million jewish children.

So don't worry. Your side very much still has the upper hand when it comes to dead children.

[sheshe2]

78. They are gone.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

81. MIRt taking out the trash.

I would imagine that they're pretty busy these days.

[sheshe2]

86. Oh yes.

Good to see you!

[MarineCombatEngineer]

88. Good to be back, but in a much kinder and gentler way.

[JohnSJ]

147. Glad to see you back MCE

[Dorian Gray]

93. You know what?

You don't know what anybody here does. I'm involved in local community fundraising drives to send money and goods to Gaza. I've supported Palestinian and Yemeni families here in NYC, and I've donated for Ramadan specific help.

I want the bombs to stop in Gaza bc it's beyond atrocious.

And these protests? They're harassing kids who have nothing to do with any of that, and it's hardening hearts and minds against the atrocities that are happening. You're self-righteously sitting here on a message board saying this shit, and it's absolute bunk. Speak to people who are Palestinian. Help them if they have immediate needs, and if they don't, help them raise awareness and demand help from our government. At the same time, work with the Israelis who are currently protesting Netanyahu and his government's overreach.

If you want to harass Jewish kids in Woodstock... or excuse this harassment... YOU are a bad person.

[Beastly Boy]

102. I salute you. You put your money where your mouth is.

I don't know how many Palestinian supporters on DU can honestly say that.

I am sure there are some, but your post is the first one I came across that stated it.

It's my pleasure to K&R your post.

[enid602]

139. Donate

I also donate to Gaza aid. Too bad it can’t enter Gaza.

[Dorian Gray]

140. That's not entirely true

there are organizations that are getting aid and help to families in Gaza. Anera, Save The Children, The Palestine Children's Relief Fund and World Central Kitchen have all been on the front lines, offering different types of support for people living in Palestine. Some provide food and water, others mental health in hospitals, other medical supplies.

A clothing drive may not get clothes to people currently in Gaza. And Hamas is making it very difficult for aid to get in, but there are still people delivering aid and support.

[enid602]

143. famine

A 3 month supply of food and medicines in Egypt waiting to get in, but according to the UN 70% of all Gazans are at UN IPC classification 4 (emergency) or 5 (famine).

[wnylib]

114. I call BS on the rationalizations in your post.

Within the same sentence you say that you are not apologizing for protesters who target a school, then apologize for them by saying that you understand why they are there.

You say that people are rightly outraged by American Jewish children bring targeted at a school, but then belittle their experience by trying to compare the US with Palestine.

There are devastating conflicts going on in parts of Africa today. So, if African American children in the US were targeted by people protesting the wars in Africa, would you belittle the race based protests against Black kids in the US because they do not suffer like Black kids in Africa?

Do you want to turn the US into the ME, with Jew vs. Muslim conflicts throughout the country? I remember when my Jewish Senator, Chuck Schumer, rushed to the airport to aid Muslim immigrants to the US who got stranded by Trump's Muslim ban. Schumer was so disturbed by it that he had tears when trying to talk about it publicly and Trump ridiculed him as a "cry baby."

In the US, regardless of what is happening abroad, hate toward ethnic, cultural, or religious groups here is not acceptable. Protesters who target children for the ethnicity/religion of their parents are expressing hatred toward that group. But you belittle that hatred because the children were not killed - yet. But let that hatred grow without being called out and it will lead to a mass shooting or bombing of Jewish children, or a synagogue. We've already had that happen in the US. Do you want more of it? Do you want to play out the wars of other nations here on US soil? That's where belittling the experience of hatred toward specific groups leads to.

BTW, JC was a Jew.

[thucythucy]

120. But why would they target children at a Jewish school?

What do you think is the reasoning behind that?

"I hate what's happening in Gaza, so I'm going to harass a bunch of children, targeting them specifically because they're Jewish?"

Do you truly not understand that attacking Jewish children simply because they're Jewish is a crystal clear case of antiSemitism?

And that your "whataboutism" comes across as remarkably insensitive, to say the least?

If a group of white parents decided to scream abuse at a group of Black children, you'd seriously post a comment about blood diamonds and the atrocities in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, as if the two were connected? Saying the two don't balance? Saying you understood why these adults were harassing these children?

[shrike3]

127. Screaming at kids on a playground helps Palestinians how?

Answer: it doesn't help them.

[Cha]

163. It's Ugly and It's Stupid.. there's Nothing to Understand.

Nothing.

[Ilsa]

119. Thank you!

These people have zero sense. It's as rational as blaming my neighbor's chickens for the devastation in Ukraine.

[Demsrule86]

82. So you don't think it is wrong to go a Jewish school in America and call little kids baby-killers is wrong and scare

them? Unbelievable. There is no degree here...it is wrong period.

[sheshe2]

92. Unbelievable, isn't it?

They are elementary school children FFS! Five and six years old! JHC.

[shrike3]

126. Most people would be disgusted by both, I think. And condemn both. That is the right thing to do, I also think.

[Cha]

154. The "protest" is Stupid and doesn't help Anything.

[tritsofme]

11. Really? We are making excuses for anti-Semitic douchebags taunting Jewish children now? Really?

[Chainfire]

13. No, and you will see that I referred to them as assholes for their behavior.

They are assholes, and douchbags, but, they aren't killing and therein lies the difference.

It is estimated that Israel has destroyed 280 schools in Gaza, and killed thousands of school aged and younger children. How many Jewish kids have died in the demonstrations in the US, and which is worse? I just don't understand how folks who call themselves liberals can bring so many excuses for Israel's behavior to our table. People are being harrassed and insulted in one place and dying in the other, don't try to make the harrassemet the greater sin.

[tritsofme]

14. How is anything that is happening in Gaza relevant to these American Jewish children being harassed by racists?

This is just excuse making.

[Chainfire]

17. Do you relay not understand cause and effect? Come on, don't insult me with that.

[tritsofme]

18. What are you intimating these American Jewish children are the cause of?

Just when I thought this exchange couldn’t get any more disgusting…

[Sympthsical]

21. On the plus side

I don't think anything I say can come close to what is being self-inflicted with this one.

Do you honestly not know how being chill with racially-motivated attacks on children with a dollop "Well, they should've expected it" looks to other people?

That is . . . a talent.

[Behind the Aegis]

105. Him FINALLY....FINALLY...has been shown the door!

[MarineCombatEngineer]

106. Tombstone Pizza,

its not just for dinner anymore.

[AloeVera]

110. I thought you came back kinder and gentler?

[MarineCombatEngineer]

111. I am,

this was a saying we had waaaaaayyyyyyyyyy back in the early days of DU when someone was removed from the site, there would be a picture of a tombstone with the words to the effect that the offending party disrupted poorly.

Hope that explains it.

[AloeVera]

116. Yes.

But... though it may be DU tradition, it hurts when someone on "your side" who was passionate, tenacious and articulate is lost in the ether. I can't imagine how they must be feeling. I'm saddened.

[Crunchy Frog]

132. I think practically no one on DU would consider him to be on our "side".

Whatever your position may be on Israel or the situation in Gaza, he's on the side of bigots and racists who think that terrorizing young children is a valid means of protest or expressing a political view.

Nobody on here needs someone like that representing our "side".

His pizza is richly deserved and I hope he's enjoying it.

He can always go on over to Xitter where views like those he expressed seem to be quite welcome.

[AloeVera]

138. I do.

Demonstrating an understanding of how political protest works sometimes is not the same as condoning its more extreme tactics. He made his position on that clear. Having an understanding doesn't put him on the side of bigots or racists. I think that is unfair.

As he said, and I agree with:

Some of us understand what is going on, it doesn't mean that we approve, and implying that it does is just silly.

There is a constant bombardment, on this very forum, of anyone who expresses any discontent with the war in Gaza, the deaths of innocent people in the process. There is a lot of outrage for anyone who does not believe that the government of Israel is incapable of error or sin. Any perceived disagreement brings out the anti-Semitic name calling. That is sickening to me.

I shall miss him and he is no racist or bigot. He wanted to keep the focus on the very real and incomprehensible suffering of the children of Gaza and asked us to keep things real. Seems many are not yet ready for that.

What is also infuriating to me is how easily we believe these protesters "screamed at kids in a playground", "targeted Jewish students" etc when closer examination reveals the target was a weapons manufacturer nowhere near a playground and the only screaming done was obscenities directed at the protesters.

See Post #133.

[mcar]

144. I believe the poster lost his way

Becoming an apologist for bigots screaming abuse at small children is not passionate or articulate - it is hate.

[mcar]

107. This was so far beyond, I don't have words

Glad to see sanity has prevailed.

[Behind the Aegis]

130. Sad there are still defending it and recommending it.

[NutmegYankee]

145. Good fucking riddance!

I had to avoid responding to it because I'd have gotten too many hides.

[NickB79]

22. How do AMERICAN Jewish CHILDREN have anything to do with Gaza?

Show me the cause and effect chain where they click in somewhere, anywhere.

[FrenchCitizen]

23. Wow

This sounds like an excuse some neo-Nazi would make.

There are African countries committing atrocities right now, too. Does that mean you get to harass and bully African American children too? Or is there a different standard when it comes to Jewish kids?

[mcar]

57. Good question

[JustAnotherGen]

97. An excellent question!

[LetMyPeopleVote]

146. Welcome to DU

[shrike3]

164. I'll second that. Welcome to DU.

[Demsrule86]

84. Nothing we do here in America has caused the war in GAZA.

[Dorian Gray]

96. You're excusing

bigotry, racism and anti-semitism.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

73. Sounds like that means it was okay....

To beat up Muslims after 9/11.
Cause and effect

[Chainfire]

41. Are you unaware that there is a difference in understanding why someone does something and supporting what they do?

Too many people respond to what they think the other person is thinking, rather than what they said. I will tell you how I feel without being wishy-washy about it,; react to that if you have a disagreement.

[Sympthsical]

58. If I were on your side of the argument

I would be so mad at how awful it's being made to look right now.

Totally furious.

But I'm not. So, keep going, I guess? I kind of hope no one takes the shovel away. Sometimes it's useful to see just how deep a hole is willing to be dug. We're at attacking Jewish schoolchildren.

Seems kinda deep at this point. Mind that one doesn't go entirely out of ladder range. Then things get more difficult.

[Torchlight]

66. Are you unaware we often illustrate the content of our character without realizing it?

Don't know why anyone would feel attacked or silenced for being judged on that.

[Demsrule86]

83. That is what was said in Europe...just before the holocaust. Some things are simply wrong and calling little kids

baby killer and scaring them is wrong period.

[AnrothElf]

33. Sickening. Fucking sickening. Fuck

[MarineCombatEngineer]

34. Ok, I'm ready to come back and start posting again in LBN and GD, but far kinder and gentler,

let me ask you this, how are American Jewish children responsible for what's going on in Gaza?
And no, I don't think you're antisemitic but I think you're trying to deflect from the antisemitism that this asshole spouted from his pie hole by throwing the Gaza card.
I could be wrong, wouldn't be the first time, nor the last, but that's what I think.

That piece of shit is lucky it wasn't my child, he'd be wearing a neck brace by the time I got through with him, there is zero excuse for his behavior.

[Torchlight]

37. You premise precludes any and all variables except two of your own choosing.

Folks, that ain't logic. It's a logicval fallacy. And it's not slilecing nor oppresing you so say as much.

[mcar]

56. Wow, just wow

[Jedi Guy]

60. Are those kids members of the Knesset or something? They all Likud? Any of them on Bibi's cabinet? They in the IDF?

The answer is no. So screaming "baby killers" and "complicit in genocide" at children is fucking disgusting. The comment about a "Zionist Jew watchlist" is also fucking disgusting. Full stop, end of discussion.

This "protest" is not intended to influence what's going on in Gaza. Its intent is to harass, intimidate, and terrify Jews and to give the "protesters" an outlet for their disgusting anti-Semitism. These shitbags might as well have dressed up in Schutzstaffel and Gestapo uniforms. That's who they are, so they may as well be honest about it.

You still going to be doing the "b-b-but Israel" schtick when these clowns whip themselves up into enough of a frenzy for Kristallnacht Two?

[Skittles]

62. I see it differently

to me it's like they ALL behave in a sickening manner

they hate each other more than they care about ANYTHING

[ilovegamers43]

158. Isnt this more like how Christian right do abortion?

Never understand when they would show up with pics of dead babies to protest abortion.

[Dorian Gray]

89. These kids in woodstock

had nothing to do with the bombs in Gaza, and the protestors... if they actually cared about the bombs in Gaza... would protest government officials and not Jewish parents and kids in WOOD-FUCKING-STOCK. Your equivalency equation is BULLSHIT.

These protestors want to harass Jewish people. They think it makes them righteous, but they're just bigoted bullies.

[Patton French]

115. True colors. NT

[Crunchy Frog]

122. These kids have absolutely nothing to do with the actions of the Israeli government.

Somebody might just as well attack your own kids (grandkids or whatever) and justify it the same way. "Well, it's not as bad as what's happening to kids in Gaza".

Protest the actions of the Israeli government all you want, or the statements of adult public figures, but leave little kids out of it.

Scapegoating little kids because of their ethnic or religious heritage is what leads to Nazism.

I can't fucking believe some of the stuff I read on here these days.

[FrenchCitizen]

123. Exactly.

It's good to be horrified at what's happening to Palestinians. Protesting the Israeli government/Netanyahu/Likud is great and should be encouraged for those who want to do that. But why do some Americans find it acceptable to bully children who probably aren't even aware of the conflict? Absolutely insane. Harassing and screaming horrifying names at American school children, whether they are Jewish, Muslim, or have Israeli or Palestinian heritage, is absolutely vile and should not ever be tolerated in any capacity. I feel like this sentiment should be universal, but apparently it's not.

You (not *you,* obviously, but just generally) cannot claim to care about children while harassing other children. It's hypocritical and ridiculous.

[Crunchy Frog]

129. If you click on that poster's profile, you'll see he's been banned.

Looks like his mask finally slipped off in this thread.

[Cha]

153. Kids that have NOTHING to do with Israel/ Gaza. The Protesters are NOT

helping their cause, Chainfire... they're hurting it.

[lindysalsagal]

12. This is what the world wants: us turning on each other.

[Chainfire]

16. I am not turning on anyone. I just want the killing in Gaza to stop.

I want people to quit making lame excused for the continuing slaughter. I believe that all people are equal and deserve to live. If that makes me some king of bad person, or anti-Semitic in the eyes of some, I hate it, but I won't shut up as long as I see horror being inflicted on one group by another. And yea, before someone asks a silly question, that goes for Hamas as much as the IDF.

It seems that some folks believe that they can bully others, with their outrage, into staying silent. Hint: it ain't gonna happen. I don't give a damn what war-mongers think of me.

[debm55]

19. Who were those little kids bullying? They were getting off of their school bus.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

32. Making life hell for any or all kinds of schoolchildren will not stop Israel bombing schoolchildren

You want Israel to lay off children? Be sure you lay off children to set the example you want Israel to uphold.

[AnrothElf]

35. Sickening. Fucking sickening. Fuck

[Chainfire]

43. What is sickening to me is the apologist for the war and the feigned failing to understand cause and effect

as it relates to protest in this country.

Let me make it easy;

1. Some people are very upset about mass civilian causalities in Gaza.( I know this for fact)
2. The people who really care take Thor voices to the streets to protest.
3. They protest in places that are guaranteed to make a stir so that their message becomes public. (it is the way that it has always been here)
4. They are successful when they cause a stir in the news or on public forums.


Some of us understand what is going on, it doesn't mean that we approve, and implying that it does is just silly.

There is a constant bombardment, on this very forum, of anyone who expresses any discontent with the war in Gaza, the deaths of innocent people in the process. There is a lot of outrage for anyone who does not believe that the government of Israel is incapable of error or sin. Any perceived disagreement brings out the anti-Semitic name calling. That is sickening to me.

[AnrothElf]

46. Not even bothering to read anything you post after that first disgusting post. Fucking sickening.

Keep digging tho. Tell us who you really are.

[Chainfire]

50. Well, bye

[AnrothElf]

53. Fucking sickening

[debm55]

121. Bye to you too.if your poster page is correct.

[revmclaren]

131. It's correct.

[Demsrule86]

74. I understand berating and scaring kids OK for the the greater good...of course.

I mean it doesn't matter that it is a war in Israel and American Jews and their children have nothing to do with it. I mean it is your right as an American to terrify children and blame them for a war that has nothing to do with them.

Seriously? Those kids have nothing to do with this.

[Crunchy Frog]

125. Harassing young children doesn't make you look like a valid protester.

It doesn't make you look like you give a fuck about the violence in Gaza or the lives of Palestinian children. It makes you look like a Nazi and it tars even legitimate protesters with the same association.

You want to seriously damage your movement, you go right ahead and support these assholes. No reasonable or decent person will want to be associated in any way with such vile actions.

[Demsrule86]

85. Your making excuses for scaring little kids who have nothing to do with GAZA or the palestinians.

[AloeVera]

99. Truth!!

[MarineCombatEngineer]

103. Question,

Do you think its ok to call Jewish children, who have absolutely nothing to do with what's happening in Gaza, baby killers and other vile names?
And please, just a yes or no answer.

[AloeVera]

108. No.

And that was made clear by the poster.

So why are you asking me?

[MarineCombatEngineer]

112. Thanks for your answer.

Just wanted to know and you answered which is good enough for me personally.

[AloeVera]

113. Thank you.

[betsuni]

101. Who are the "war-mongers"?

[Happy Hoosier]

118. And some kids here get yelled at?

That’s fine with you. Oh sure you called the harassers assholes, but you STILL feel the need to “whatabout” this behavior.

It’s gross. Super gross. Shame.

[Happy Hoosier]

152. You seem to be reserving your outrage for one group....

... and it's not the one who kicked off this latest round of horrors.

I guess it bugs me that your outrage seems to be so one-sided.

[marble falls]

26. Absolutely right. We accuse each other of what each are doing. They get to elect a moron.

[lindysalsagal]

30. Divide and conquer. Old plan, but effective.

[rollin74]

20. Anti-semitism is out of control

These are hate filled nutcases who now feel emboldened to do this in front of everyone.

[Chainfire]

44. What is out of control is equating disagreement with with the politics of war with anti-Semitism.

[tritsofme]

49. These are racists harassing children, not people engaging in legitimate political discourse.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

54. What is sickening is equating disagreement over politics with harrassing Jewish children

But keep digging, I'm sure you'll find one of those few nice Jews you've met eventually.

[mcar]

61. How is screaming "baby killers" to a bunch of

small children, who just happen to be Jewish, anything but antisemitism?

Or do you think these idiots just go around screaming abusively at random kids?

These antisemitic asswipes are targeting American children because they hate Jews just as much as Hamas does.

[AnrothElf]

67. Sick fucks. Fucking sickening sick fucks harrassing schoolchildren and the sick fucks defending them

[Torchlight]

100. Screaming bigotry at school children is not the politics of war.

Seriously man... having a bad day or just feeling ornery is really no excuse. Next time you're feeling crabby, remember that you own a backspace key... and it's yours!

Tomorrow's a brand new day. Or not. Your choice.

[Crunchy Frog]

128. PPRd, so it looks like I won't be getting any responses from you.

I guess the mask finally came off in this thread.

As we used to say in the old days, hope you enjoy the pizza.🍕

[atreides1]

27. This is wrong

You cannot defend one group of children and then attack another group of children...who have nothing to do with the current situation!!!

Personally I'd throat punch the asshole attacking my children.

[RandySF]

28. Yeah, that'll win hearts and minds.

[RandySF]

29. We are screwed if voters associate the party with these idiots.

[RandomNumbers]

72. Perhaps that is someone's intention. nt.

[Dorian Gray]

98. While this isn't the thing that most outrages me about

harassing kids, this is something we should all be concerned about.

[patphil]

31. That's about as evil as it can get.

[Iggo]

59. LOL.

You don’t really believe that.

[SarahD]

38. RCYB

Revolutionary Communist Youth Brigade. They used to haunt my college campus and accuse random passersby of being murderers, running dog lackies, etc. I always thought of myself as more of a sleeping dog lackey, but they couldn't see the humor in that. Anyway, we're always going to have a small number of demonstrators who seem to be there just to create shock. I assume they realize they're not winning any arguments by screaming at school children.

[betsuni]

39. Small town maker of fans, blowers and cooling systems for aerospace and military is genocide protest-worthy?

Screaming "baby killers" at school children and townspeople join in yelling "we love you" to protesters?

My brains:

[hardluck]

45. Sounds like an educational beatdown is in order

To reintroduce them to the boundaries of polite society.

[Lancero]

47. They got kicked out of collages for hurling hate towards Jewish students...

...So they decided to start up protests at other schools to hurl hate towards others group of Jewish students.

[Iggo]

52. Never Forget.

[mcar]

55. Tell me how screaming foully at kindergartners

helps innocent people in Gaza?

I'll wait...

[MarineCombatEngineer]

63. That piece of trash is lucky I wasn't there,

I would've knocked his dick in the dirt, yeah, would have probably been arrested and spent some hours in jail, but it would have been well worth it.

[mcar]

64. I'm an old lady who's never hit anyone

I think I would have body slammed that dirtbag and taken the broken hip.

[Demsrule86]

87. Me too.

[JoseBalow]

65. A pretty good argument for Zionism

[underpants]

70. That's just stupid and wrong

[Demsrule86]

75. I can't support these protests...thousand of Israelis are in the streets trying to get rid Netanyahu.

It is their fight- not mine and if such a list exists...we need some hackers to get the names of the bigots who post there and make it public ...scaring kids is just disgusting They have nothing to do with a war thousands of miles away..

[JohnSJ]

76. Whether these "protesters" are from the left or the right, their actions are for trump, because

there is no doubt that the right wing media and republican ads will try and exploit this.

[mjvpi]

91. This is wrong.

I am pro cease fire and ending all of the killing in Gaza and Israel. A pox on Hamas and Netanyahu’s government. Children should be shown only love. They have to be taught to hate.

[Cha]

95. Idiots! NOT helping Anything one Fucking BIT.

[traitorsgalore]

109. LOL, apparently the "rules" about posting in GD don't apply to some

when it comes to posting shit just to get people all fired up and hating each other, LOL!!!

Here's what everyone sees before posting in GD:

"Discuss politics, issues, and current events. Posts about Israel/Palestine, religion, guns, showbiz, or sports are restricted in this forum. For more information, click here."

[tritsofme]

117. What rule do you suppose discussing racist assholes harassing Jewish school children breaks?

[Hekate]

137. You seem to have fallen behind in events. Israel/Hamas has been front page news for 7 months...

Thus, this topic has been front and center in DU’s main forums since Oct. 7, 2023 quite within the TOS.

[Torchlight]

165. That sounds really, really serious!

Best of luck in working it out! (this reply was not self-deleted by its author)

[AloeVera]

133. Local paper tells a slightly different story.

Here is a link to a different version of the events at this protest, from a local newspaper.

There was no protest at an American Jewish school, as I've seen it claimed in this thread. The protest was at the entrance to a weapons manufacturing plant the protesters believed supply parts for use by the IDF. It involved 16 local protestors.

The only sign in evidence was a large one implying the company is involved in genocide.

At some point, the protesters agreed to move to another company entrance near an intersection. Four remained, chaining themselves at the entrance. They were later removed and arrested.

The protesters were removed by 3:15. School buses were seen driving towards the school for pick-up.

There is no mention of verbal altercations between protesters and bystanders involving accusations against parents or kids of complicity in genocide or being baby-killers. Only the "40,000 people killed" comment is reported, the one heard in the video.

No mention of school children in attendance at or near the protest, in vehicles or otherwise.

I have to ask why, if such awful accusations were levelled at 7-year old schoolchildren, the police who were in attendance all day did not intervene? The only intervention reported is this:

At the corner, the dozen protesters chanted, “From the sea to the river, Palestine will live forever” and “End the occupation now.”

One man across the street yelled at the[m] and yelled obscenities, then was asked to stop by a sheriff’s deputy trying to keep the peace, who said “they’ve already made their bed.”

Woodstock supervisor had this to say about the police. I doubt they would have been polite had there been any abuse towards children or any signs of anti-semitism:

Everybody was courteous and polite. They all had a good rapport with the protesters. They all were given an opportunity to exercise their first amendment,” McKenna said.

I also wonder why people are not more scrupulous about a story originating from the New York Post that is based on unsubstantiated claims and an Instagram post.

https://hudsonvalleyone.com/2024/05/07/large-police-presence-at-pro-palestinian-protest-in-front-of-ametek-rotron-in-woodstock/

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

135. Article doesn't absolve them of anything

It doesn't mention the students. Plus it's the police who are praised for being polite not the protestors.

[AloeVera]

136. There are no reports of such accusations in the article.

So how can the article absolve them?

I can't imagine the police being polite and letting them "exercise their first amendment rights" if they were abusing school kids with such hate speech.

[traitorsgalore]

148. It's a waste of time trying to reason with people online

Facts and reality don't matter to them, only their hateful views of anyone that is reinforced by whatever propaganda source.

[sarisataka]

149. Such truthful irony

Yet here we are...

[MarineCombatEngineer]

150. You do realize that goes both ways don't you?

[Sympthsical]

141. You're selectively reading

And picking what you like from the stories to put a much sunnier slant on it.

Even your own article notes the parents and protesters got into it. What your article also does is corroborate the primary source's testimony from the original article. Your article states:

"The protesters at the corner shouted, “We are watching” and “We love you.”

What does the original primary source say? "'They were cheering them on, shouting, ‘We love you,'' Gruber told The Post. 'That was the worst part.'"

I suppose it comes down if you believe the primary source - the parent. I do. Why? Because I've seen these people in my own area. They have no problem with doing their thing when children are present. And we have two separate sources noting the same verbiage.

If your argument is, "They weren't targeting the children specifically. That was just incidental." Fine.

But, the fact you think that's mitigating or better . . . you're making some choices. Strange ones, I think.

It's so easy to condemn this stuff. The absolute, heels dug in resistance to do so seems motivated. And this isn't the first time running cover for this sort of thing has occurred. So, the question becomes, what's up with that?

I haven't spent a lot of time running around, "Guys, they're not totally Nazi. They're like half-Nazi. 60% white supremacist at best. So, I think you're being too harsh here."

Because that would be kind of weird, and people would start wondering what was up with me.

[AloeVera]

142. Truth, facts, fairness.

I quoted the parts I thought were important to get people to ask questions about whether anti-semitic and cruel "attacks on Jewish children" really happened.

The "we love you" chants were made by the 12 remaining protesters, at their fellow protesters as they were being freed from their chains by the police. Nothing unusual in that. The parent may not have been aware they were also protesters. Which would be odd, given that she's claiming they were screaming at her children and carrying signs implying genocide against her.

What's up with me posting this? That should be obvious and not in the way you might be assuming. Short answer is I like facts and truth and despise distortions and propaganda in all its forms, even when told by a sincere believer. The longer answer and one you might find offensive is that I'm concerned about how Netanyahu and his government uses this outrage and the anti-semitism charges against the protesters for his own nefarious purposes to drum up support for his "war". When and wherever those charges might be false, I feel a moral imperative to bring it to light. You can condemn me for that if you want, but I hope you will see some truth and validity in my perspective.

I also feel that the vast majority of protesters are like these local people, who are simply people of conscience with no anti-semitic views, who have been unfairly painted as such and that unfairness bothers me.

[Sympthsical]

156. Let's just say

Picking around the edges to minimize and confound incidents like, say, video of a Jewish girl being attacked, is becoming pattern-like when this picking always slants in a very specific direction and is accompanied with a minimum of concern.

I do notice these things.

I do not think fairness enters this at all. But George Orwell is one of my favorite writers. With that in mind, maybe I'm not reading the current usage of these terms properly.

[AloeVera]

162. Anyone being attacked is wrong.

George Orwell is one of my faves too. His work shaped some of my thinking. Funny you should refer to him. We seem to be seeing the same Orwellian warnings but from completely different angles. How does that happen?

[kcr]

159. Is that why

you replied, "truth!" to the banned antisemitic poster? So, which is it?

Oops.

[AloeVera]

160. No oops, no gotcha.

I want people to quit making lame excused for the continuing slaughter. I believe that all people are equal and deserve to live. If that makes me some king of bad person, or anti-Semitic in the eyes of some, I hate it, but I won't shut up as long as I see horror being inflicted on one group by another. And yea, before someone asks a silly question, that goes for Hamas as much as the IDF.

It seems that some folks believe that they can bully others, with their outrage, into staying silent. Hint: it ain't gonna happen. I don't give a damn what war-mongers think of me.

Please explain to me what is objectionable. Sure, the use of war-mongers may be to some. But anti-semitism? No.

Those are sentiments I fully agree with. It is why I didn't self-delete after I realized he had been banned. You will see that I defended his views even after.

But what does that have to do with my post? You may not like the content or the message, but it's a real stretch and worse to pivot like this. It's exactly the point the poster was trying to make.

[XorXor]

134. This is worse than the anti-mask people blocking hospitals and yelling at cancer patients who were wearing masks

Do they not realize this doesn't help them in their cause of supporting Hamas, excuse me, the Palestinians... I forgot that it's not the terrorists that they support, but rather only innocent Palestinians stuck in the middle. It is hard because I get confused by all the words, signs, and flags in favor of Hamas that they have at their protests. I need to remember that those don't mean anything and the protesters don't actually mean what they say.

[scipan]

155. The point may be to get us mad at each other

Print the most inflammatory stuff and hope you don't realize how little backing there is.

Why no cell phone videos? That's pretty weird to me.

As far as one smallish detail, I think the "neighbors" were really a segment of the protestors, per this more low key, news report:

After several hours, about a dozen protesters on the Hasbrouck end near Delisio Lane agreed to move to the intersection of Route 375. About four remained with their arms locked together inside a concrete pipe, blocking the main employee entrance. An equal number of protesters assembled at Ametek’s visitor entrance with some blocking passage.
...snip...
The State Police Mobile Field Unit took over and cut the concrete pipe with an angle grinder to free the four protesters. Troopers and Woodstock police stood by at the scene.

The protesters at the corner shouted, “We are watching” and “We love you.” As the angle grinder noise could be heard, the corner protesters shouted “Are you okay” and “Stop hurting them.”

https://hudsonvalleyone.com/2024/05/07/large-police-presence-at-pro-palestinian-protest-in-front-of-ametek-rotron-in-woodstock/

Note that the OP"s original source is the NY Post, not known for its integrity. I would guess the basic facts are true, but exaggerated and put in emotion laden terms to make *us* emotional. That's really the last thing we need when discussing Israel/Palestine.

[Sugarcoated]

157. They are as crazed as the magats

They are koo koo

[electric_blue68]

161. Honest to goodness... Waaaaay back it was -some- high level Jews, and Romans...Give it a Rest already!!! 🙄😬

Poor kids!!! 😑😔