Sanders says Americans don't 'want to be complicit' in 'starvation' in Gaza

[David__77]

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) on Sunday doubled down on his opposition to further U.S. aid to Israel, suggesting Americans do not want to be “complicit” in the starvation of children in Gaza.

“Well, I understand…look, every Republican as I understand it, wants to give huge amounts of money to Israel,” Sanders said during an interview with NBC News’s “Meet the Press.” My guess is that many Republicans want Israel to go into Rafah, despite the incredible humanitarian destruction that will cause, and there are Democrats who also feel that way.”

“But this is what I will tell you, Kristen. That is not what the American people feel. Poll after poll suggests that the American people want an immediate ceasefire. They want massive humanitarian aid to get in,” he continued. “The people of our country do not want to be complicit in the starvation of hundreds of thousands of children.”

Sanders, an independent who caucuses with Democrats, has repeatedly called for a stop to U.S. aid amid the civilian death toll and depleting humanitarian resources. More than 35,000 Palestinians have been killed in Gaza since Hamas’s Oct. 7 attacks.

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https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4659039-bernie-sanders-americans-dont-want-complicit-starvation-gaza/amp/

[Srkdqltr]

1. I say, Enough is Enough.

[sheshe2]

2. A ceasefire would be great...

Along with every last hostage, whether they are alive, returned. This all started when Hamas broke the last ceasefire on 10/07. Will they agree to a new ceasefire or is Israel the only one expected to be held accountable and Hamas can continue to attack and kill at will.

I read the article and Bernie is not clear on what Israel should do if Hamas refuses.

[oldsoftie]

5. Yes. People continue to ignore that Hamas HIDES AMONG CIVILIANS.

ALL these terrorist groups do this.
And over 70% of Gazans supported the Hamas attacks of 10/7

[Traurigkeit]

12. Just like the MAGA

[Marcuse]

11. 35,000+ Gazans have already been held accountable whether they were Hamas or not. That's a kill ratio of about 30:1.

I just want to know much more killing is necessary to exact an appropriate level of revenge and deterrence? 3,000:1? 30,000:1? 3M:1? All of them?

[oldsoftie]

13. The UN just HALVED its estimate of actual deaths. Hamas has always provided the numbers

So everyone knew those numbers couldn't be trusted
The answer to your question is "Wherever Hamas hides, find them & eliminate them". THEY choose to hide among civilians.

[Eko]

23. No they didnt.

[Think. Again.]

26. No, the UN death number is slightly higher...

..they adjusted the numbers according to identifiable gender and age.

[lapucelle]

34. It's not "the UN death number". It's the number of fatalities reported to the UN by Hamas.

That's why the OCHA information page includes a disclaimer.

Disclaimer: The UN has so far not been able to produce independent, comprehensive, and verified casualty figures; the current numbers have been provided by the Ministry of Health or Government Media Office in Gaza and the Israeli authorities and await further verification.

Other yet-to-be verified figures are also sourced.

https://www.ochaopt.org/sites/default/files/Gaza_casualties_info-graphic_8_May_2024.pdf

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It appears that OCHA is no longer specifically citing the Gaza Media Office as the source for the breakdown numbers of women and children killed.

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May 3



https://www.ochaopt.org/sites/default/files/Gaza_casualties_info-graphic_3_May_2024.pdf

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May 8



https://www.ochaopt.org/sites/default/files/Gaza_casualties_info-graphic_8_May_2024.pdf

[Think. Again.]

38. They are the numbers that the UN is publicly reporting.

[lapucelle]

39. Yes, I know. The UN is publicly reporting the Hamas numbers with a disclaimer appended.

On May 8, there was an unexplained change in the way OCHA is choosing to report and present the Hamas's fatality numbers.

OCHA should specifically address why they are no longer citing the Gaza Media Office for the numbers of women and children killed and exactly what informed their decision to downgrade those numbers.

As for the disclaimer, the public deserves to know exactly which data on the information page are verified and which are not. Noting that "Other yet-to-be verified figures are also sourced" is unhelpful at best.

[mjvpi]

28. I just went to the UN website. No mention of that.

I would encourage everyone to go their website and read the most recent stuff on Gaza. We are entitled to our own opinion but not our own facts.

[Marcuse]

30. Deuteronomy authorizes far worse for cities like Gaza, but logistically you can't kill them all. You create even more.

[oldsoftie]

32. No, cant get 100% but they CAN weaken their capabilities a great deal

And it'd be a bonus to knock off that head guy as well

And continue finding & destroying the 100s of miles of tunnels.

[Oopsie Daisy]

16. Hamas doesn't want that. Hamas doesn't value civilian lives THAT is why they hide among them.

Hamas knows that by hiding among civilians they have "dehumanized" them and turned them into shields (and propaganda).

>> I read the article and Bernie is not clear on what Israel should do if Hamas refuses.
I see. Interesting.

[sheshe2]

19. Exactly, Hamas does not want and will not honor a ceasefire.

I also wonder where all that humanitarian aid went. I think that Hamas has taken the lion's share for themselves. As you said they hide among the civilians, they don't care about them they just use them.

[brooklynite]

3. Maybe he should do something about it

Doesn’t he have a job where he could introduce a Bill to bar any financial support for Israel’s army and use his influence to get people to support it?

[David__77]

4. It seems that political figures sometimes make public statements on subjects.

He has voted against the provision of such aid, which is a material act as well.

[DownriverDem]

6. No we don't but

most of us know the fighting will never end. It's not Biden's fault. Young folks do not know the history. Sad.

[David__77]

8. The US can stop sending weapons.

[Mosby]

7. Virtually no one is starving to death in Gaza.

There have been like 25-30 reported cases, and we don't know the details of any of the fatalities.

[EX500rider]

9. Yeah it's starting to remind me of the hospital generators...

"Only enough fuel for 48 more hours!" ....week later, "only enough fuel left for 24 more hours!"
Week later, lights still on..

According to U.N. data, an average of 70 food trucks entered Gaza per day before the war; an average of more than 100 food trucks have entered each day in March.
I am guessing the problems are in distribution more then quantity.

[Sewa]

14. Cindi McCain said "northern Gaza is in full blown famine "

I think she knows more about the situation in Gaza. ✌️💀

[Mosby]

15. Cindy McCain the RW heiress to the Hensley beer empire?

That Cindy McCain?

[Sewa]

20. World Food Program director Cindy McCain:

People that never leave their computer know so much about the conditions in Gaza lol 🙈🙉💀

[Mosby]

21. How do you you know where I've been?

Please stop with the personal attacks.

[Sewa]

24. Not a personal attack. Just a generic response

Some people love playing the victim lol 🤙💀

[Mosby]

27. McCain is wrong.

Why would anyone believe her anyway, lol.

Go ahead and keep playing around.

[mjvpi]

31. Please show your work. Can you direct me to the facts you are basing your opinion on.

My mind can be changed with facts. I consume a lot of news from all over the world. Everything that I have been reading shows just the opposite of your opinion.

[Mosby]

33. Not going to the beach today, friend.

[mjvpi]

35. You are most definitely entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.

[mjvpi]

29. May I suggest spending 5 minutes doing Google searches.

[EX500rider]

17. Spent a lot of time lately in Gaza has she?

[Cuthbert Allgood]

25. You know what her job is, right?

I'll take UN info over rando on the internet saying nobody is starving there.

[mjvpi]

36. I believe the agency that she heads has a constant presence there, so yes.

[Ping Tung]

10. Oh, Bernie, there you go being all Humanitarian again. Trying to stop the killing and feeding people.

EEEK!! He's a Socialist!

Thanks Bernie. Keep the pressure on.

[LiberaBlueDem]

18. Bernie is, as usual, correct

Most Americans want a ceasefire. Biden can make that happen. He's the President of the USA with great power

Biden has learned a lot from Bernie who has been pushing Biden to help poor people. Lots of the good things Biden has done is by following Bernie.

It sure would have been nice if Bernie had won the presidency but Biden has done okay and that is why Bernie is backing Biden. Now Joe needs to just demand a ceasefire from Israel.

[betsuni]

22. "Biden has learned a lot from Bernie who has been pushing Biden to help poor people."

[mjvpi]

37. Actually yes. Biden's agenda incorporated lots of Sanders' ideas. Biden's agenda the first two years........

……turned me into, not just a Biden supporter, but an enthusiastic Biden supporter. I supported Senator Warren in the primaries. Her views have been well represented as well.

[Cha]

42. JHC..

lol

[betsuni]

43. The working class guy from Scranton famous for taking the train, supporting unions didn't help poor people.

Incredible.

[Cha]

44. Love the way you put that!!

".. he had to be taught.. "

[betsuni]

46. Myth of Democrats as out-of-touch establishment elites ignoring the working class just won't go away!

[Cha]

48. Big Myth!

[Cha]

41. Just NO.. Pres Biden is quite capable all by himself to

to help "poor people".

No Pres Biden doesn't "follow Sanders."

[betsuni]

45. I can't find any of these alleged big policy changes in the Democratic platform that Biden "followed"

anybody to do. For example, the 2016 platform was ACA with public option and Medicare at 55, 2020 was ACA with public option and Medicare at 60 as I remember it. Was no cancel all student debt.

[Cha]

47. Thank you for researching it!

Maybe he had some input on Pres Biden's Infrastructure Bill?

Fact Sheet: The Bipartisan Infrastructure Deal

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/11/06/fact-sheet-the-bipartisan-infrastructure-deal/

[betsuni]

49. No more than anyone else. From Chris Whipple's "The Fight of His Life, Inside Joe Biden's White House":

"Jonathan Alter, author of 'The Defining Moment,' on FDR's first hundred days, argued that labeling Biden a socialist was nonsense. In fact, both FDR and Biden were misunderstood. 'Franklin Roosevelt was not a Bernie Sanders Democrat,' he explained. 'There's this complete misunderstanding of him. He wasn't a socialist and used [Republican president] Herbert Hoover's bank rescue plan. The ardent progressives of the day were saying, 'Take over the banks! ... And FDR was like, 'No. I'm going to leave the banks in private hands. I'm not going to do it the progressive way.'

"Biden, like FDR, believed the government had to tackle the current crisis with bold experimentation. He was an FDR Democrat and always had been. 'Joe Biden grew up in a Democratic, Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman, John F. Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson household,' said Alter. They were solid Democrats. He was always a lunch-bucket Democrat. Those were the FDR Democrats.' Almost a century later, the urgent crisis of the pandemic was Biden's equivalent of the Great Depression, a call to action.

"I asked Biden's friend Ted Kaufman if Biden's ideology had changed since he became president. 'Not a whit,' he said emphatically. 'I haven't seen Joe Biden change in terms of who he is, and I've known him for forty-nine years.' ... Mike Donilon, Biden's political strategist, said ... 'You can look at Build Back Better and say it's an effort to be like FDR, a transformation ... But here's a different way to look at it: Joe Biden was a single father for five years. He looks at what folks are going through with childcare, daycare, and he's asking the question, how are they going to make it? ... That's a pretty straightforward question that says, 'You know what? I've lived that experience.'"

Myth that FDR/LBJ policies were "democratic socialism" instead of plain old usual liberal Democratic and that Democrats, including Biden, have to be pushed to the Left because they ignore and don't care about the working class, are out-of-touch elites.

[Cha]

50. TY betsuni! Riveting Read!

[betsuni]

51. I cracked open a book!

[Cha]

52. No kidding.. if they could see you now.. lol

I actually think you're amazing.. all the books you read and remember important parts!

[betsuni]

54. I vandalize my books, mark the good parts so I can find them.

Otherwise couldn't remember a thing!

[LiberaBlueDem]

55. A few things from Bernie

$15 an hour

Insulin prices lowered

More SNAP benefits

More SS benefits

[leftstreet]

40. DURec

[Ping Tung]

53. Only humanitarian aid? What about guns, poison, bombs, rockets, drones, and other products

of the American Way?