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riversedge

(70,780 posts)
Thu May 9, 2024, 02:37 PM May 9

Trump's attorneys have now moved to exclude Karen McDougal from testifying at all

Drama from Trump team. Stay tuned.



Donald Trump’s defense attorneys just hit the panic button over Karen McDougal

https://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/donald-trumps-defense-attorneys-just-hit-the-panic-button-over-karen-mcdougal/55981/

Bill Palmer | 1:47 pm EDT May 9, 2024



Donald Trump’s criminal trial resumed this morning with his defense attorneys continuing to cross examine Stormy Daniels. They went hard at her, but he stood her ground and remained highly credible. Daniels ended up doing a lot of damage to Trump, both in terms of the trial and in terms of political reputation. So it perhaps wasn’t surspiring that as soon as she was off the stand, Trumps defense attorneys hit the panic button about another witness in this trial.

Trump’s attorneys have now moved to exclude Karen McDougal from testifying at all. This is a silly move. It has zero chance of working. It won’t help Trump on appeal. And the move merely tells the general public that Trump is very much afraid of what McDougal is going to say about him, which will only serve to put more public attention on her upcoming testimony.

Trump’s attorneys are now also demanding that Trump be exempted from his gag order with regard to Stormy Daniels, so he can publicly fire back at her over her testimony. This also has no chance of being granted.
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Trump's attorneys have now moved to exclude Karen McDougal from testifying at all (Original Post) riversedge May 9 OP
McDougal will be more damaging for him Johnny2X2X May 9 #1
I agree, gab13by13 May 9 #3
I thought it was 9 or 10 months. LiberalFighter May 9 #8
For A Hound Like Him... ProfessorGAC May 9 #14
He doesn't know her. live love laugh May 9 #10
Wasn't she the Old Crank May 9 #34
That is his go-to excuse, isn't it? ShazzieB May 9 #40
TSF is stuck at 6 years old Traurigkeit May 9 #47
Agreed, it's much more plausible to discount a story about a one-night stand. nt Shermann May 9 #42
If the defense will stipulate that trump business records are fraudulent then the DA won't call witnesses to prove it. Marcuse May 9 #2
Sounds like traitor is between a rock and a hard place Marthe48 May 9 #4
The place to "fire back" at he is on the stand mutherfucker! Dat's da way it works. 👨‍⚖️ mobeau69 May 9 #5
So--Trump cheated on Melania with Karen McDougal...... Kingofalldems May 9 #6
He openly cheated on Ivana with Marla. gab13by13 May 9 #11
The only amazing thing is there were only 2 women Johonny May 9 #13
We know there are more women. Irish_Dem May 9 #36
I'm sure there are more we don't know about JoseBalow May 9 #37
He is the apex of Republican values BoRaGard May 9 #16
The details of these "Mattress Olympics". . . DinahMoeHum May 9 #35
They do the same thing, that is why they are MAGA Traurigkeit May 9 #48
They are reaching DEFCON eleven-seventy! MOMFUDSKI May 9 #7
Technically, DefCon one is as bad as it typically gets. I think you are looking for Defcon one/eleven-seventy! Gore1FL May 9 #23
If you want to know about McDougal, watch Anderson Cooper's entire one hour fierywoman May 9 #9
It looks like Trump hired skeletor to get around the gag order Johonny May 9 #12
The prosecution's sequencing of witnesses is strategically brilliant. live love laugh May 9 #15
Trump wants to fire back at Stormy he can take the stand like she did. Coward. ZonkerHarris May 9 #17
Oh how I wish he would testify. Demobrat May 9 #21
An oath means nothing to this guy Bayard May 9 #28
Of course he would. Demobrat May 9 #32
Let him lie. Prof. Toru Tanaka May 9 #33
She really only has a wmqll (if any) connection to the case Ohio Joe May 9 #18
Gag order whiner gags others? That's rich. lindysalsagal May 9 #19
Stormy eats trumps defense team a new one. republianmushroom May 9 #20
The Way You "Fire Back" At Witness Testimony Is Through Cross-Examination ChoppinBroccoli May 9 #22
What if Karen testifies he promised to leave Melania for her? kimbutgar May 9 #24
Shes Not Testifying DET May 9 #25
Makes sense. Didn't Pecker do plenty for the prosecution on that front? Raven123 May 9 #27
Yes, But... DET May 9 #31
Correct. Wouldn't add significantly to this case however Raven123 May 9 #39
OMG. He probably wore the same silk robe bucolic_frolic May 9 #26
Palmer Report? Really? NanaCat May 9 #29
And he's paying for those attorneys? They can't stop the prosecution from calling... brush May 9 #30
From earlier reports he's telling the lawyers what to say and gets angry with them if they Liberal In Texas May 9 #38
Makes you wonder why accomplished lawyers agree to represent him... brush May 9 #43
This didn't age well................ Bev54 May 9 #41
Maybe McDougal is just overkill now Silent3 May 9 #44
I am sure that is it, they got what they needed on her from Peckerhead. Bev54 May 9 #46
TSF's attorneys can demand all they want. It is up to Judge Merchan to decide if McGougal testifies. ProudMNDemocrat May 9 #45

Johnny2X2X

(19,485 posts)
1. McDougal will be more damaging for him
Thu May 9, 2024, 02:44 PM
May 9

They carried on an affair for years. Whatever she says is going to be terrible for him.

gab13by13

(21,825 posts)
3. I agree,
Thu May 9, 2024, 02:46 PM
May 9

Trump won't be able to attack her, which leaves him with nothing.

The affair lasted about 10 months.

ProfessorGAC

(65,823 posts)
14. For A Hound Like Him...
Thu May 9, 2024, 03:16 PM
May 9

...a 9 or 10 month affair is forever!
Years, month, weeks...all the same with a guy who is constantly seeking his next conquest.

ShazzieB

(16,838 posts)
40. That is his go-to excuse, isn't it?
Thu May 9, 2024, 05:10 PM
May 9

"I have no idea who that woman is."
"I've never seen her before in my life"
"I never heard of her until now."
Etc., etc., etc.

That kind of denial is a lot harder to pull off when you were in a 9-10 month relationship with "that woman," and friends and associates probably saw you two together on numerous occasions!

To bad, Donald. So sad? Not really.

Marcuse

(7,609 posts)
2. If the defense will stipulate that trump business records are fraudulent then the DA won't call witnesses to prove it.
Thu May 9, 2024, 02:44 PM
May 9

Kingofalldems

(38,590 posts)
6. So--Trump cheated on Melania with Karen McDougal......
Thu May 9, 2024, 02:53 PM
May 9

then cheated on both Melania and Karen with Stormy Daniels.

And the MAGAts trust this guy.

Johonny

(21,130 posts)
13. The only amazing thing is there were only 2 women
Thu May 9, 2024, 03:14 PM
May 9

He needed to hush. Perhaps he didn't know the names of the others . . .

DinahMoeHum

(21,888 posts)
35. The details of these "Mattress Olympics". . .
Thu May 9, 2024, 04:48 PM
May 9

are told by golf/sports writer Rick Reilly in his book Commander In Cheat: How Golf Explains Trump

All in chapter 13, titled (appropriately) "Ewwwww"

Gore1FL

(21,228 posts)
23. Technically, DefCon one is as bad as it typically gets. I think you are looking for Defcon one/eleven-seventy!
Thu May 9, 2024, 04:09 PM
May 9

fierywoman

(7,725 posts)
9. If you want to know about McDougal, watch Anderson Cooper's entire one hour
Thu May 9, 2024, 03:03 PM
May 9

interview with her (from around 2018?) Very informative ...

Johonny

(21,130 posts)
12. It looks like Trump hired skeletor to get around the gag order
Thu May 9, 2024, 03:13 PM
May 9

Last edited Thu May 9, 2024, 06:29 PM - Edit history (1)

As Rick Scott showed up to blather about the very unfair trial this morning. I assume it will be a different political well known for committing fraud every morning as long as the trial continues. No one quite blathers like Trump, though.

live love laugh

(13,320 posts)
15. The prosecution's sequencing of witnesses is strategically brilliant.
Thu May 9, 2024, 03:22 PM
May 9

Stormy is damning alone but the denigration of her character will make some impact and allow the defense to deflect.

But McDougal will solidify Stormy’s testimony as there are bound to be similarities.

Cohen will give the defense what they need to tie the case up with a bow.

The defense’s only hope is a mistrial or an Act of God.

Demobrat

(9,117 posts)
21. Oh how I wish he would testify.
Thu May 9, 2024, 03:56 PM
May 9

Let the jury, and the world, see who he is when he’s not standing up in front of a cheering crowd

Prof. Toru Tanaka

(2,035 posts)
33. Let him lie.
Thu May 9, 2024, 04:46 PM
May 9

The prosecutors would fillet, slice and dice him like it was a Ron Popeil infomercial.

And then they could get him for perjury. This is why a lot of those court cases fell apart over the “stolen election” in 2020. TSF’s attorneys knew they would eventually have to perjure themselves because they knew Trump’s claims were total bullshit.

Ohio Joe

(21,793 posts)
18. She really only has a wmqll (if any) connection to the case
Thu May 9, 2024, 03:43 PM
May 9

She was paid by Pecker who cut a deal, testifying to everything. None of tfg's charges are connected to her, they end with Pecker.

ChoppinBroccoli

(3,793 posts)
22. The Way You "Fire Back" At Witness Testimony Is Through Cross-Examination
Thu May 9, 2024, 03:56 PM
May 9

As I'm sure the Judge either did or will point out when he overrules this ridiculous motion. His attorneys had every opportunity to cross-examine her, therefore there's no NEED to "fire back" at her in the court of public opinion. Anything he says could be considered a violation of the gag order at best, and slanderous and borderline witness intimidation against future witnesses at worst. Granting such a motion would be like handing Trump a pass to violate several different laws. No Judge in America would do that (well, almost none--but I'm sure this one won't).

This motion is so ridiculous that I think Trump's attorneys are treading very close to the line separating zealous representation from frivolous proceedings (aka contempt). I really think the Judge might consider holding them in contempt for filing all these sham motions. He's already made a ruling that they were not to file any more motions without prior permission of the court.

kimbutgar

(21,378 posts)
24. What if Karen testifies he promised to leave Melania for her?
Thu May 9, 2024, 04:11 PM
May 9

Can you imagine the fireworks? And it would blow up his marriage to Melania and make him look bad among evangelicals. Please please testify Karen!

That said Melania might have the goods on him and expose him leading to his downfall….i can fantasize can’t I?

DET

(1,367 posts)
25. Shes Not Testifying
Thu May 9, 2024, 04:24 PM
May 9

Prosecution just withdrew her from the witness list. No explanation given. Speculation that it could look like overkill and she’s not needed.

DET

(1,367 posts)
31. Yes, But...
Thu May 9, 2024, 04:43 PM
May 9

It’s not quite the same. Her testimony could provide additional sordid details on their affair, which would humiliate him and potentially hurt him politically. But I have to assume that the prosecution knows what it’s doing.

bucolic_frolic

(43,834 posts)
26. OMG. He probably wore the same silk robe
Thu May 9, 2024, 04:29 PM
May 9

IOW, subsequent testimony will corroborate Stormy Daniels' testimony.

brush

(54,232 posts)
30. And he's paying for those attorneys? They can't stop the prosecution from calling...
Thu May 9, 2024, 04:39 PM
May 9

McDougal. And I thought the Negeles lawyer who cross examined Stormy was supposed to be so good.

Stormy gave her all she could handle.

Liberal In Texas

(13,691 posts)
38. From earlier reports he's telling the lawyers what to say and gets angry with them if they
Thu May 9, 2024, 04:58 PM
May 9

don't bring out this question or that motion or object when he wants them to.


brush

(54,232 posts)
43. Makes you wonder why accomplished lawyers agree to represent him...
Thu May 9, 2024, 05:28 PM
May 9

since he calls all the shots? I can see someone looking to make a name for themselves, to be able to say they represented a former president...but mid-career attorneys with pride of professionalism...no.

Bev54

(10,154 posts)
41. This didn't age well................
Thu May 9, 2024, 05:22 PM
May 9

This is what is being reported:

stand.Trump lawyer Todd Blanche said in court that “we have been informed the People no longer intend to call Karen McDougal as a witness,” according to reports from the trial. It is not immediately clear why prosecutors with Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg’s office decided not to bring McDougal to the witness stand.

Silent3

(15,546 posts)
44. Maybe McDougal is just overkill now
Thu May 9, 2024, 05:29 PM
May 9

Better to go with what they already have than risk something going wrong with McDougal as a witness, especially if she doesn't add much that's useful to the prosecution?

Bev54

(10,154 posts)
46. I am sure that is it, they got what they needed on her from Peckerhead.
Thu May 9, 2024, 05:40 PM
May 9

Stormy did well on the stand and they don't need more.

ProudMNDemocrat

(17,128 posts)
45. TSF's attorneys can demand all they want. It is up to Judge Merchan to decide if McGougal testifies.
Thu May 9, 2024, 05:36 PM
May 9

I suspect Judge Merchan will allow Karen McDougal to testify because she too was part of the hush money scheme to keep quiet, the catch and kill scheme David Pecker testified to, and her relationship that lasted months with TSF. It is all related to the falsifying of business records that influenced the election in 2016.

TSF can shit his pants all he wants. He is in the Criminal defendant's chair and he has no power or sway with the Judge.

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